David Ignatius: Ukrainians Are Not Collapsing, They Are Going To Make It Through the Spring

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IGNATIUS: “I think that the Trump premise these guys are about to fall has been demonstrated to be wrong. We are now in a very difficult phase of negotiations where the question is, will Ukraine give up some territory —”
SCARBOROUGH: “Right.”
IGNATIUS: “— to get to a peace? We don’t know the answer to that yet. I hear lots of different views —”
SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah.”
IGNATIUS: “— from Ukrainians. But the baseline —”
SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah.”
IGNATIUS: “— Joe, is what you said. They they’re holding. They’re not — they’re not collapsing this — this terrible winter.”
SCARBOROUGH: “Right.”
IGNATIUS: “And they’re going to make it into the spring.”