RUSH TRANSCRIPT Roma She ░░░░░░░░ a lot of explaining ░░░░░░░░ do I guess she ░░░░░░░░ t need to explain ░░░░░░░░ much if she won ░░░░░░░░ Our Josh Robin is ░░░░░░░░ in studio B with ░░░░░░░░ panel of experts and ░░░░░░░░ and he joins us ░░░░░░░░ Hi Josh Thank you ░░░░░░░░ much I m joined ░░░░░░░░ by Christina Greer from ░░░░░░░░ university and the podcast ░░░░░░░░ Doherty the Republican strategist ░░░░░░░░ Lee editor of the ░░░░░░░░ free press and Mike ░░░░░░░░ the Democratic strategist We ░░░░░░░░ a lot to discuss ░░░░░░░░ governor s race is ░░░░░░░░ They have said that ░░░░░░░░ Cuomo will be the ░░░░░░░░ nominee again You take ░░░░░░░░ from this is there ░░░░░░░░ to glean I m ░░░░░░░░ we figured out where ░░░░░░░░ governor was That is ░░░░░░░░ of who he is ░░░░░░░░ on election night he ░░░░░░░░ still you know he ░░░░░░░░ what he wants to ░░░░░░░░ So I think there ░░░░░░░░ be a growing frustration ░░░░░░░░ someone will need to ░░░░░░░░ pressure on him for ░░░░░░░░ next four years It ░░░░░░░░ well could be the ░░░░░░░░ governor That race is ░░░░░░░░ close to call I ░░░░░░░░ be fascinating if it ░░░░░░░░ jumaane Williams I m ░░░░░░░░ sure if it s ░░░░░░░░ of the districts that ░░░░░░░░ not come in yet ░░░░░░░░ obviously favor Kathy hochul ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ the night isn t ░░░░░░░░ to be a night ░░░░░░░░ the establishment of cuomo ░░░░░░░░ and James honestly Because ░░░░░░░░ aligned herself with them ░░░░░░░░ could be the case ░░░░░░░░ in my estimation upset ░░░░░░░░ be a jumaane Williams ░░░░░░░░ Cuomo and Williams have ░░░░░░░░ figure out what their ░░░░░░░░ looks like and quickly ░░░░░░░░ m very skeptical that ░░░░░░░░ will be that But ░░░░░░░░ know we are counting ░░░░░░░░ numbers This is interesting ░░░░░░░░ to see Williams ahead ░░░░░░░░ do you think was ░░░░░░░░ reason why this wasn ░░░░░░░░ closer Yes we still ░░░░░░░░ at the results here ░░░░░░░░ only have 41 reporting ░░░░░░░░ Cuomo is ahead particularly ░░░░░░░░ the five boroughs where ░░░░░░░░ Nixon needed to do ░░░░░░░░ lot better Because of ░░░░░░░░ question that I raised ░░░░░░░░ He has had a ░░░░░░░░ record over the last ░░░░░░░░ years So when you ░░░░░░░░ in the fact he ░░░░░░░░ an incumbent governor that ░░░░░░░░ money touting all of ░░░░░░░░ Progressive victories whether it ░░░░░░░░ guns or gay marriage ░░░░░░░░ the medical marijuana or ░░░░░░░░ whole minimum wage et ░░░░░░░░ et cetera you have ░░░░░░░░ have a candidate on ░░░░░░░░ other side who one ░░░░░░░░ a campaign that is ░░░░░░░░ equally People know what ░░░░░░░░ message is And people ░░░░░░░░ comfortable with that they ░░░░░░░░ throw out an incumbent ░░░░░░░░ Look we just don ░░░░░░░░ throw out incumbents in ░░░░░░░░ country generally Where you ░░░░░░░░ seeing the anger is ░░░░░░░░ state Senate races The ░░░░░░░░ it seems at the ░░░░░░░░ D C Members by ░░░░░░░░ large now Some close ░░░░░░░░ and some have already ░░░░░░░░ who were aligned with ░░░░░░░░ Republicans That was a ░░░░░░░░ buzz word One thing ░░░░░░░░ Cuomo did really well ░░░░░░░░ what De Blasio did ░░░░░░░░ I am anti Trump ░░░░░░░░ will take on Trump ░░░░░░░░ in and day out ░░░░░░░░ message resonated with the ░░░░░░░░ What he did really ░░░░░░░░ too if you go ░░░░░░░░ look it sounds like ░░░░░░░░ numbers may not have ░░░░░░░░ that far off 10 ░░░░░░░░ still a wide margin ░░░░░░░░ on what we are ░░░░░░░░ here This is what ░░░░░░░░ see that happened in ░░░░░░░░ presidential contest between Hillary ░░░░░░░░ an Bernie Sanders that ░░░░░░░░ now playing out with ░░░░░░░░ Nixon and Andrew Cuomo ░░░░░░░░ Kem s vote came ░░░░░░░░ the black Democrats The ░░░░░░░░ numbers were 74 of ░░░░░░░░ black Democrats went with ░░░░░░░░ in the poll Latinos ░░░░░░░░ went with Cuomo What ░░░░░░░░ that Cynthia Nixon and ░░░░░░░░ activist end of the ░░░░░░░░ is not connecting with ░░░░░░░░ the same way that ░░░░░░░░ didn t connect with ░░░░░░░░ the presidential primary There ░░░░░░░░ a disconnect there That ░░░░░░░░ the insurgent wing of ░░░░░░░░ party the sort of ░░░░░░░░ avant garde of the ░░░░░░░░ wants to be more ░░░░░░░░ successful they will have ░░░░░░░░ figure out what the ░░░░░░░░ is Now Andrew Cuomo ░░░░░░░░ a lot of effort ░░░░░░░░ to talking to the ░░░░░░░░ voters a and there ░░░░░░░░ a disconnect there Someone ░░░░░░░░ literally would go epic ░░░░░░░░ because one we can ░░░░░░░░ assume that A all ░░░░░░░░ rotors are Progressive So ░░░░░░░░ is one That is ░░░░░░░░ I think people mess ░░░░░░░░ What I said earlier ░░░░░░░░ the idea that Charles ░░░░░░░░ 1973 From text space ░░░░░░░░ this and there are ░░░░░░░░ like Andrew Cuomo are ░░░░░░░░ the issues Even Nixon ░░░░░░░░ this platform Cuomo is ░░░░░░░░ now if she gets ░░░░░░░░ nomination and you can ░░░░░░░░ up with the Republican ░░░░░░░░ what does it look ░░░░░░░░ Right A lot of ░░░░░░░░ black and the lay ░░░░░░░░ know voters knows what ░░░░░░░░ feels like to have ░░░░░░░░ boot on their neck ░░░░░░░░ resources taken away So ░░░░░░░░ stick with someone who ░░░░░░░░ not be your best ░░░░░░░░ He may not be ░░░░░░░░ but he is better ░░░░░░░░ an unknown or someone ░░░░░░░░ will give you someone ░░░░░░░░ Get you in this ░░░░░░░░ want to ask a ░░░░░░░░ question because you have ░░░░░░░░ incredible expertise in this ░░░░░░░░ looks particularly good right ░░░░░░░░ for the I D ░░░░░░░░ Challengers That might mean ░░░░░░░░ Jeff Klein loses or ░░░░░░░░ narrowly We are still ░░░░░░░░ at the numbers What ░░░░░░░░ your take away from ░░░░░░░░ I imagine that the ░░░░░░░░ about what it means ░░░░░░░░ have the long knives ░░░░░░░░ for the I D ░░░░░░░░ That resonated with the ░░░░░░░░ in the 34th I ░░░░░░░░ say this What I ░░░░░░░░ curious about the conversation ░░░░░░░░ a whole from the ░░░░░░░░ the animus never seemed ░░░░░░░░ break evenly There were ░░░░░░░░ where they put time ░░░░░░░░ effort to take down ░░░░░░░░ former I D C ░░░░░░░░ In other cases for ░░░░░░░░ in the case of ░░░░░░░░ sevino it didn t ░░░░░░░░ You could argue that ░░░░░░░░ could have It s ░░░░░░░░ point triangulated in the ░░░░░░░░ that garner died That ░░░░░░░░ have been a perfect ░░░░░░░░ to bring attention to ░░░░░░░░ fact there was little ░░░░░░░░ around criminal justice reform ░░░░░░░░ for that matter anything ░░░░░░░░ do with the full ░░░░░░░░ closure of the laws ░░░░░░░░ with full disclosure with ░░░░░░░░ laws discussed That aside ░░░░░░░░ you look at the ░░░░░░░░ race and the trouble ░░░░░░░░ faced so recently and ░░░░░░░░ was able to pull ░░░░░░░░ off it would only ░░░░░░░░ that the non I ░░░░░░░░ C the no I ░░░░░░░░ C that they won ░░░░░░░░ bear the thought of ░░░░░░░░ idea folks that particular ░░░░░░░░ was effective at being ░░░░░░░░ to marshal the troops ░░░░░░░░ get the vote in ░░░░░░░░ a way that says ░░░░░░░░ In Jeff Klein s ░░░░░░░░ you will find he ░░░░░░░░ you know from corner ░░░░░░░░ corner regarded as someone ░░░░░░░░ is a proven legislator ░░░░░░░░ someone who will bring ░░░░░░░░ the goods We will ░░░░░░░░ following this more as ░░░░░░░░ go on But for ░░░░░░░░ Errol and Roma back ░░░░░░░░ you Roma It s ░░░░░░░░ 9 58 The polls ░░░░░░░░ not even an hour ░░░░░░░░ and we are already ░░░░░░░░ to call some of ░░░░░░░░ races The first one ░░░░░░░░ and this is no ░░░░░░░░ Governor Cuomo winning the ░░░░░░░░ primary It was expected ░░░░░░░░ the challenger Cynthia Nixon ░░░░░░░░ margin is close to ░░░░░░░░ it was four years ░░░░░░░░ When Cuomo ran against ░░░░░░░░ Teachout who is in ░░░░░░░░ running for attorney general ░░░░░░░░ looks like she is ░░░░░░░░ second place It s ░░░░░░░░ early to call the ░░░░░░░░ general race It looks ░░░░░░░░ she is getting beaten ░░░░░░░░ Letitia James And the ░░░░░░░░ advocate of the city ░░░░░░░░ New York And if ░░░░░░░░ James does win it ░░░░░░░░ be the first woman ░░░░░░░░ color African American to ░░░░░░░░ a state wide race ░░░░░░░░ want to head to ░░░░░░░░ who is standing by ░░░░░░░░ Letitia James headquarters with ░░░░░░░░ Hi Anthony Hey Roma ░░░░░░░░ just got done to ░░░░░░░░ with the campaign official ░░░░░░░░ told me while they ░░░░░░░░ where they stand right ░░░░░░░░ that is where a ░░░░░░░░ lead over overall They ░░░░░░░░ not comfortable yet to ░░░░░░░░ a call in this ░░░░░░░░ because there are so ░░░░░░░░ votes upstate that haven ░░░░░░░░ been counted They want ░░░░░░░░ be sure that the ░░░░░░░░ votes have been counted ░░░░░░░░ they make any kind ░░░░░░░░ the call in this ░░░░░░░░ Now when you look ░░░░░░░░ these numbers from the ░░░░░░░░ York City with more ░░░░░░░░ 80 of the precincts ░░░░░░░░ or about 80 of ░░░░░░░░ precincts reported Letitia James ░░░░░░░░ about a 40 50 ░░░░░░░░ She was expected to ░░░░░░░░ well in New York ░░░░░░░░ especially in Brooklyn where ░░░░░░░░ are now where the ░░░░░░░░ is right now But ░░░░░░░░ are waiting to see ░░░░░░░░ she does upstate to ░░░░░░░░ if that big lead ░░░░░░░░ has now slinks shrinks ░░░░░░░░ all But this is ░░░░░░░░ festive atmosphere right now ░░░░░░░░ pause in captioning Zephyr ░░░░░░░░ lives upstate She is ░░░░░░░░ and we often see ░░░░░░░░ in the city But ░░░░░░░░ she ran for Congress ░░░░░░░░ ran in an upstate ░░░░░░░░ Not far from Albany ░░░░░░░░ doesn t necessarily have ░░░░░░░░ roots in the city ░░░░░░░░ James who has been ░░░░░░░░ in the city several ░░░░░░░░ now Twice as public ░░░░░░░░ multiple times as a ░░░░░░░░ advocate she is a ░░░░░░░░ quantity here This is ░░░░░░░░ known turf Sean Patrick ░░░░░░░░ interestingly spend more money ░░░░░░░░ the other candidates on ░░░░░░░░ ads and so forth ░░░░░░░░ election watch party is ░░░░░░░░ the street He too ░░░░░░░░ from upstate The city ░░░░░░░░ really Leticia James s ░░░░░░░░ turf Lisha eve a ░░░░░░░░ New York candidate That ░░░░░░░░ where she was born ░░░░░░░░ raised Roma As a ░░░░░░░░ coming from upstate where ░░░░░░░░ you think the advantages ░░░░░░░░ to turn Errol I ░░░░░░░░ assume the upstate numbers ░░░░░░░░ the extent they will ░░░░░░░░ counted now will break ░░░░░░░░ Teachout and Maloney James ░░░░░░░░ done some of their ░░░░░░░░ not nearly as the ░░░░░░░░ two Here is an ░░░░░░░░ factoid Leticia James who ░░░░░░░░ gotten around and kind ░░░░░░░░ been a known quantity ░░░░░░░░ the city may not ░░░░░░░░ known upstate but she ░░░░░░░░ a lot of time ░░░░░░░░ for the state legislature ░░░░░░░░ she ever ran for ░░░░░░░░ There are politically active ░░░░░░░░ who know her They ░░░░░░░░ be her ticket or ░░░░░░░░ into pulling upstate boat ░░░░░░░░ Name recognition there One ░░░░░░░░ that is really fascinating ░░░░░░░░ here at NY1 is ░░░░░░░░ lieutenant governor race And ░░░░░░░░ is just separated by ░░░░░░░░ it seems Jumaane Williams ░░░░░░░░ now I really should ░░░░░░░░ my numbers Jumaane Williams ░░░░░░░░ at that how close ░░░░░░░░ 3 percent to Kathy ░░░░░░░░ s 49 7 They ░░░░░░░░ separated by less than ░░░░░░░░ point Can you win ░░░░░░░░ that kind of margin ░░░░░░░░ or is there an ░░░░░░░░ recount Errol We have ░░░░░░░░ races decided by very ░░░░░░░░ few boats It s ░░░░░░░░ a long time since ░░░░░░░░ has happened like that ░░░░░░░░ the state vote but ░░░░░░░░ 1910 there was a ░░░░░░░░ race up in Buffalo ░░░░░░░░ was decided by one ░░░░░░░░ boats It is the ░░░░░░░░ rules This is fascinating ░░░░░░░░ because Kathy hochul was ░░░░░░░░ with Governor Cuomo Every ░░░░░░░░ word out of her ░░░░░░░░ was Governor Cuomo and ░░░░░░░░ we are a team ░░░░░░░░ have done this together ░░░░░░░░ voters seem to have ░░░░░░░░ that Two thirds said ░░░░░░░░ want Governor Cuomo back ░░░░░░░░ hochul we re not ░░░░░░░░ Roma Jumaane Williams if ░░░░░░░░ does win this becomes ░░░░░░░░ running mate for the ░░░░░░░░ it is going to ░░░░░░░░ an awkward pairing wouldn ░░░░░░░░ you say How are ░░░░░░░░ going to get along ░░░░░░░░ It has all the ░░░░░░░░ of a movie Roma ░░░░░░░░ real odd couple Errol ░░░░░░░░ seen it before with ░░░░░░░░ Cuomo s father Mario ░░░░░░░░ was settled with a ░░░░░░░░ governor candidate and later ░░░░░░░░ governor who he did ░░░░░░░░ want or pick That ░░░░░░░░ happen If it were ░░░░░░░░ happen here you will ░░░░░░░░ a lot of people ░░░░░░░░ back into the books ░░░░░░░░ into a guy named ░░░░░░░░ bell Although Cuomo did ░░░░░░░░ want him as a ░░░░░░░░ mate they gave him ░░░░░░░░ to do They cut ░░░░░░░░ out of everything They ░░░░░░░░ not heed his words ░░░░░░░░ advice After pure boredom ░░░░░░░░ simply quit the job ░░░░░░░░ is not going to ░░░░░░░░ by the way Placed ░░░░░░░░ the same situation jumaane ░░░░░░░░ has already told us ░░░░░░░░ he intends to do ░░░░░░░░ is that he never ░░░░░░░░ to be a ribbon ░░░░░░░░ anyway Sort of an ░░░░░░░░ advocate I don t ░░░░░░░░ he is in it ░░░░░░░░ a salary or a ░░░░░░░░ title or interesting things ░░░░░░░░ do on behalf of ░░░░░░░░ governor He is in ░░░░░░░░ for entirely different reasons ░░░░░░░░ might be why he ░░░░░░░░ leading Roma On the ░░░░░░░░ Senate