Mike McFaul: All We’ve Done So Far Is Basically Forced the Ukrainians to Surrender and Given Concessions to Russia

JANSING When these two ░░░░░░░░ go head to head ░░░░░░░░ do you think that ░░░░░░░░ like McFaul Well first ░░░░░░░░ s one thing to ░░░░░░░░ to use sticks it ░░░░░░░░ another to actually do ░░░░░░░░ And I think we ░░░░░░░░ to be careful about ░░░░░░░░ President Trump from time ░░░░░░░░ time has made threatening ░░░░░░░░ And I think he ░░░░░░░░ getting frustrated And I ░░░░░░░░ too if I were ░░░░░░░░ that his strategy of ░░░░░░░░ giving concessions to Putin ░░░░░░░░ not lead to a ░░░░░░░░ let alone an end ░░░░░░░░ the war What Putin ░░░░░░░░ done instead is he ░░░░░░░░ taken those concessions and ░░░░░░░░ s asked for more ░░░░░░░░ the president alluded to ░░░░░░░░ President Putin basically said ░░░░░░░░ need to have new ░░░░░░░░ in Ukraine before we ░░░░░░░░ have a negotiation and ░░░░░░░░ Trump rightfully pushed back ░░░░░░░░ that But I think ░░░░░░░░ next step is to ░░░░░░░░ do some of the ░░░░░░░░ that he s threatened ░░░░░░░░ do Until he does ░░░░░░░░ Putin won t see ░░░░░░░░ threats as credible JANSING ░░░░░░░░ I mean President Trump ░░░░░░░░ other things is threatening ░░░░░░░░ on Russian oil There ░░░░░░░░ fears Putin could launch ░░░░░░░░ fresh offensive to strengthen ░░░░░░░░ negotiating position So I ░░░░░░░░ from a tactical standpoint ░░░░░░░░ do you think might ░░░░░░░░ into the meeting with ░░░░░░░░ advantage McFaul Well the ░░░░░░░░ is to President Putin ░░░░░░░░ he believes and I ░░░░░░░░ rightfully so that he ░░░░░░░░ more about this war ░░░░░░░░ we do that he ░░░░░░░░ willing to wait us ░░░░░░░░ that we are not ░░░░░░░░ to give the Ukrainians ░░░░░░░░ weapons I think that ░░░░░░░░ the crucial thing It ░░░░░░░░ one thing to threaten ░░░░░░░░ on Russian oil Remember ░░░░░░░░ don t export we ░░░░░░░░ t import a whole ░░░░░░░░ of Russian oil And ░░░░░░░░ idea that we re ░░░░░░░░ to do secondary sanctions ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese and the ░░░░░░░░ I find that highly ░░░░░░░░ But what we really ░░░░░░░░ do to get Putin ░░░░░░░░ attention would be to ░░░░░░░░ more weapons to Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ would help to create ░░░░░░░░ stalemate on the battlefield ░░░░░░░░ a stalemate on the ░░░░░░░░ is what I think ░░░░░░░░ necessary for a lasting ░░░░░░░░ deal That to me ░░░░░░░░ show that Putin that ░░░░░░░░ Trump is credible about ░░░░░░░░ to negotiate an end ░░░░░░░░ this war JANSING Obviously ░░░░░░░░ this being very closely ░░░░░░░░ and Democratic Senator Michael ░░░░░░░░ had this reaction after ░░░░░░░░ said he was angry ░░░░░░░░ Putin Clip starts Bennet ░░░░░░░░ is crazy I mean ░░░░░░░░ Trump until this morning ░░░░░░░░ been saying that Zelenskyy ░░░░░░░░ not the is not ░░░░░░░░ real president of Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ s done nothing but ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine s negotiating position ░░░░░░░░ s negotiating position the ░░░░░░░░ negotiating position of the ░░░░░░░░ States of America Clip ░░░░░░░░ JANSING Is he right ░░░░░░░░ mean does Trump s ░░░░░░░░ and forth have only ░░░░░░░░ implications or could it ░░░░░░░░ work to his advantage ░░░░░░░░ I have to say ░░░░░░░░ far I think the ░░░░░░░░ is right that we ░░░░░░░░ all we ve done ░░░░░░░░ we ve pressured the ░░░░░░░░ we basically forced them ░░░░░░░░ surrender And all we ░░░░░░░░ done so far is ░░░░░░░░ concessions inducements to President ░░░░░░░░ And that strategy is ░░░░░░░░ working I think that ░░░░░░░░ the important message here ░░░░░░░░ then so therefore you ░░░░░░░░ to change this strategy ░░░░░░░░ I think the right ░░░░░░░░ for the president and ░░░░░░░░ team would be to ░░░░░░░░ pressuring Putin with sanctions ░░░░░░░░ weapons to Ukraine to ░░░░░░░░ that you re serious ░░░░░░░░ putting pressure on both ░░░░░░░░ not just one side ░░░░░░░░ do this deal.”