‘Morning Joe’: DOGE ‘Is a Scam; They’re Never Going to Get the $2 Trillion So They Need to Just Stop Pretending’

[Clip starts Ramaswamy And ░░░░░░░░ want to emphasize the ░░░░░░░░ federal employees are mostly ░░░░░░░░ bad people actually because ░░░░░░░░ human beings are not ░░░░░░░░ people To the contrary ░░░░░░░░ people who are federal ░░░░░░░░ are doing what they ░░░░░░░░ because they believe they ░░░░░░░░ serving their country and ░░░░░░░░ respect that I m ░░░░░░░░ it s going to ░░░░░░░░ even good for many ░░░░░░░░ the individuals who may ░░░░░░░░ a transition from government ░░░░░░░░ back to the private ░░░░░░░░ Clip ends BRZEZINSKI That ░░░░░░░░ Vivek Ramaswamy who is ░░░░░░░░ of a newly formed ░░░░░░░░ of Government Efficiency with ░░░░░░░░ Musk and has pushed ░░░░░░░░ making mass cuts to ░░░░░░░░ federal workforce insisting those ░░░░░░░░ cuts will be beneficial ░░░░░░░░ government workers Joining us ░░░░░░░░ former Treasury official and ░░░░░░░░ Joe economic analyst Steve ░░░░░░░░ SCARBOROUGH Steve let s ░░░░░░░░ cut straight to this ░░░░░░░░ I know you re ░░░░░░░░ to go through these ░░░░░░░░ but this is something ░░░░░░░░ when I hear these ░░░░░░░░ guys talking about how ░░░░░░░░ re going to get ░░░░░░░░ trillion from the budget ░░░░░░░░ s it s a ░░░░░░░░ and it s a ░░░░░░░░ because this is something ░░░░░░░░ and I have been ░░░░░░░░ about for a very ░░░░░░░░ time the national debt ░░░░░░░░ the deficit under control ░░░░░░░░ I just you know ░░░░░░░░ just looking at your ░░░░░░░░ chart here I mean ░░░░░░░░ need to understand Social ░░░░░░░░ and Medicare make up ░░░░░░░░ 50 percent of what ░░░░░░░░ government spends You add ░░░░░░░░ and veterans benefits that ░░░░░░░░ another 20 percent So ░░░░░░░░ re up to 70 ░░░░░░░░ You then add debt ░░░░░░░░ and and how much ░░░░░░░░ costs to service that ░░░░░░░░ that s another 10 ░░░░░░░░ So Steve before they ░░░░░░░░ start talking about cutting ░░░░░░░░ so called federal employees ░░░░░░░░ are bankrupting us the ░░░░░░░░ States government has already ░░░░░░░░ 80 percent of its ░░░░░░░░ on Medicare Medicaid Social ░░░░░░░░ vets defense and interest ░░░░░░░░ the debt So I ░░░░░░░░ just I love some ░░░░░░░░ these other numbers and ░░░░░░░░ forgive me for for ░░░░░░░░ like killing Hamlet in ░░░░░░░░ first act here but ░░░░░░░░ let s cut law ░░░░░░░░ that s 1 percent ░░░░░░░░ the budget oh let ░░░░░░░░ cut sciences and medical ░░░░░░░░ we spend too much ░░░░░░░░ that they may be ░░░░░░░░ one percent of the ░░░░░░░░ ag one percent of ░░░░░░░░ budget Transportation those pork ░░░░░░░░ projects it s going ░░░░░░░░ bankrupt us it s ░░░░░░░░ 2 percent of the ░░░░░░░░ Again I will actually ░░░░░░░░ you explain this far ░░░░░░░░ than I right now ░░░░░░░░ this is a scam ░░░░░░░░ they re going to ░░░░░░░░ Social Security and Medicare ░░░░░░░░ the and and Veterans ░░░░░░░░ they re never going ░░░░░░░░ get the 2 trillion ░░░░░░░░ they need to just ░░░░░░░░ pretending Rattner You know ░░░░░░░░ I feel like Vanna ░░░░░░░░ I m just turning ░░░░░░░░ up here and you ░░░░░░░░ actually Pat Sajak telling ░░░░░░░░ how it is SCARBOROUGH ░░░░░░░░ just makes me it ░░░░░░░░ me so mad Rattner ░░░░░░░░ I m not I ░░░░░░░░ not I m not ░░░░░░░░ SCARBOROUGH It s it ░░░░░░░░ so it s so ░░░░░░░░ Rattner I m I ░░░░░░░░ happy to be your ░░░░░░░░ guy But you look ░░░░░░░░ said it exactly right ░░░░░░░░ this is a completely ░░░░░░░░ unrealistic ridiculous idea for ░░░░░░░░ reasons you all said ░░░░░░░░ only 25 percentof the ░░░░░░░░ can really be cut ░░░░░░░░ even that you rattled ░░░░░░░░ a lot of programs ░░░░░░░░ most Americans would say ░░░░░░░░ are really important to ░░░░░░░░ And so you re ░░░░░░░░ to cut you know ░░░░░░░░ can do a little ░░░░░░░░ of math you re ░░░░░░░░ to cut 2 trillion ░░░░░░░░ you ve only got ░░░░░░░░ 5 trillion dollars of ░░░░░░░░ that you can cut ░░░░░░░░ that would be cutting ░░░░░░░░ of it Now I ░░░░░░░░ say Trump has intimated ░░░░░░░░ cutting some money from ░░░░░░░░ we re going to ░░░░░░░░ right over here about ░░░░░░░░ where there s some ░░░░░░░░ on the chopping block ░░░░░░░░ what Musk and Ramasamy ░░░░░░░░ done as a first ░░░░░░░░ is they ve identified ░░░░░░░░ 500 billion of spending ░░░░░░░░ a complicated legislative quirk ░░░░░░░░ I m not going ░░░░░░░░ get into they think ░░░░░░░░ can actually cut without ░░░░░░░░ But let s just ░░░░░░░░ let s just give ░░░░░░░░ as an example of ░░░░░░░░ things they would like ░░░░░░░░ cut Veterans Health Care ░░░░░░░░ billion eliminate health care ░░░░░░░░ veterans We re going ░░░░░░░░ talk about the impact ░░░░░░░░ all this stuff in ░░░░░░░░ second NIH 47 billion ░░░░░░░░ Grants for education 22 ░░░░░░░░ dollars Head Start we ░░░░░░░░ know what that is ░░░░░░░░ billion the FBI maybe ░░░░░░░░ d actually like to ░░░░░░░░ that 11 billion these ░░░░░░░░ the way would zero ░░░░░░░░ this stuff out these ░░░░░░░░ not just trims this ░░░░░░░░ eliminating this stuff Federal ░░░░░░░░ the SEC and so ░░░░░░░░ And all of that ░░░░░░░░ up to 516 billion ░░░░░░░░ so there s still ░░░░░░░░ long way a long ░░░░░░░░ from their 2 trillion ░░░░░░░░ even if they got ░░░░░░░░ this stuff and even ░░░░░░░░ people accepted this So ░░░░░░░░ Joe your opening premise ░░░░░░░░ right it is ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ So Musk and Ramasamy ░░░░░░░░ heading to the Hill ░░░░░░░░ to start pitching these ░░░░░░░░ We should note though ░░░░░░░░ the time they arrive ░░░░░░░░ afternoon the Senate will ░░░░░░░░ to have gone home ░░░░░░░░ then So they re ░░░░░░░░ learning on the job ░░░░░░░░ suppose Steve you mentioned ░░░░░░░░ VA and NIH are ░░░░░░░░ here Talk to us ░░░░░░░░ those cuts What they ░░░░░░░░ mean Rattner Yeah I ░░░░░░░░ want to give these ░░░░░░░░ examples of what the ░░░░░░░░ heavy the political lift ░░░░░░░░ be to try to ░░░░░░░░ this done You re ░░░░░░░░ about 6 2 million ░░░░░░░░ who are receiving health ░░░░░░░░ from the Veterans Administration ░░░░░░░░ that number this is ░░░░░░░░ 2021 number the most ░░░░░░░░ one we have but ░░░░░░░░ number is only going ░░░░░░░░ grow For example they ░░░░░░░░ the PACT Act which ░░░░░░░░ to protect veterans who ░░░░░░░░ hurt in burn pits ░░░░░░░░ things like that That ░░░░░░░░ by an overwhelming bipartisan ░░░░░░░░ So imagine the idea ░░░░░░░░ go back then a ░░░░░░░░ or two later and ░░░░░░░░ say I know you ░░░░░░░░ this thing by a ░░░░░░░░ consensus now we want ░░░░░░░░ eliminate it It just ░░░░░░░░ t stand the test ░░░░░░░░ reality Yhen you talk ░░░░░░░░ the NIH The NIH ░░░░░░░░ a truly great organization ░░░░░░░░ funds basic research that ░░░░░░░░ private sector won t ░░░░░░░░ because there s not ░░░░░░░░ commercial use for it ░░░░░░░░ aside lung cancer which ░░░░░░░░ a lot to do ░░░░░░░░ smoking taking up smoking ░░░░░░░░ of smoking but the ░░░░░░░░ s impact and it ░░░░░░░░ not just the NIH ░░░░░░░░ they played a big ░░░░░░░░ in all these different ░░░░░░░░ that have come down ░░░░░░░░ down in terms of ░░░░░░░░ deaths from these cancers ░░░░░░░░ colon and rectum breast ░░░░░░░░ lung cancer we talked ░░░░░░░░ cervix and stomach all ░░░░░░░░ cancers have come down ░░░░░░░░ you have the NIH ░░░░░░░░ thank for a lot ░░░░░░░░ it.”