RUSH TRANSCRIPT Joining us ░░░░░░░░ senior correspondent natasha alfred ░░░░░░░░ suesan page of usa ░░░░░░░░ The comments from Joe ░░░░░░░░ Susan he s not ░░░░░░░░ to be submissive he ░░░░░░░░ from West Virginia that ░░░░░░░░ be the case Let ░░░░░░░░ be honest so much ░░░░░░░░ riding on him Does ░░░░░░░░ messaging need to be ░░░░░░░░ this morning especially in ░░░░░░░░ wake of the comments ░░░░░░░░ Joe Manchin For messaging ░░░░░░░░ mean by Democrats Yeah ░░░░░░░░ Democrats are in a ░░░░░░░░ on this one Joe ░░░░░░░░ has made those comments ░░░░░░░░ that radio show after ░░░░░░░░ had had what the ░░░░░░░░ House described as a ░░░░░░░░ conciliatory or pleasant conversation ░░░░░░░░ President Biden on Sunday ░░░░░░░░ Clearly relations between these ░░░░░░░░ men need some mending ░░░░░░░░ the president is going ░░░░░░░░ be able to pursue ░░░░░░░░ big domestic agenda Even ░░░░░░░░ do a downsize bill ░░░░░░░░ has some of the ░░░░░░░░ that were in Build ░░░░░░░░ Better and not others ░░░░░░░░ at all guaranteed Democrats ░░░░░░░░ going to be able ░░░░░░░░ heal some of the ░░░░░░░░ we see breaking out ░░░░░░░░ over to get something ░░░░░░░░ Natasha they are talking ░░░░░░░░ mean yes the Manchin ░░░░░░░░ on radio where he ░░░░░░░░ those comments was after ░░░░░░░░ Biden Manchin conversation but ░░░░░░░░ you re looking at ░░░░░░░░ timeline after Manchin s ░░░░░░░░ interview the White House ░░░░░░░░ a White House briefing ░░░░░░░░ didn t say anything ░░░░░░░░ about Joe Manchin there ░░░░░░░░ does seem like we ░░░░░░░░ in this new chapter ░░░░░░░░ where Democrats feel like ░░░░░░░░ there s a chance ░░░░░░░░ January Yeah Well John ░░░░░░░░ as a Democrat as ░░░░░░░░ to have to project ░░░░░░░░ and optimism about what ░░░░░░░░ next right We ve ░░░░░░░░ through months and months ░░░░░░░░ back and forth sort ░░░░░░░░ holding our breath for ░░░░░░░░ and this is the ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ you but it feels ░░░░░░░░ that maybe something will ░░░░░░░░ and than it falls ░░░░░░░░ over petty issues Democrats ░░░░░░░░ to think there is ░░░░░░░░ possibility fort bill the ░░░░░░░░ otherwise they look weak ░░░░░░░░ their constituents It gives ░░░░░░░░ Manchin more power than ░░░░░░░░ really deserves to sort ░░░░░░░░ have We cannot forget ░░░░░░░░ there are also Republicans ░░░░░░░░ are holding up the ░░░░░░░░ of this bill So ░░░░░░░░ best thing they can ░░░░░░░░ is focus on what ░░░░░░░░ in the bill that ░░░░░░░░ Think about perhaps longer ░░░░░░░░ programs just a fewer ░░░░░░░░ term programs they can ░░░░░░░░ and get on board ░░░░░░░░ But that has to ░░░░░░░░ the message otherwise they ░░░░░░░░ sort of stuck in ░░░░░░░░ mud Just to pick ░░░░░░░░ on that point point ░░░░░░░░ know natasha what Manchin ░░░░░░░░ to the White House ░░░░░░░░ a fair amount of ░░░░░░░░ in it One thing ░░░░░░░░ didn t have was ░░░░░░░░ child tax credit That ░░░░░░░░ had been stripped out ░░░░░░░░ it your sense from ░░░░░░░░ in Washington that they ░░░░░░░░ perhaps move forward with ░░░░░░░░ version of Build Back ░░░░░░░░ and then is there ░░░░░░░░ way to find enough ░░░░░░░░ support for a separate ░░░░░░░░ of the child tax ░░░░░░░░ I mean I That ░░░░░░░░ like a tall order ░░░░░░░░ I know Christmas miracles ░░░░░░░░ happen but I m ░░░░░░░░ sure if getting Republicans ░░░░░░░░ get on board with ░░░░░░░░ tax credit even if ░░░░░░░░ is sensible is something ░░░░░░░░ can happen They re ░░░░░░░░ of dedicated to obstructionism ░░░░░░░░ this idea that they ░░░░░░░░ going to stop any ░░░░░░░░ of legislative success for ░░░░░░░░ even if that means ░░░░░░░░ win for the entire ░░░░░░░░ So I m not ░░░░░░░░ if that is going ░░░░░░░░ happen but I do ░░░░░░░░ that there are aspects ░░░░░░░░ Build Back Better which ░░░░░░░░ benefit Joe Manchin s ░░░░░░░░ in West Virginia So ░░░░░░░░ that is approach right ░░░░░░░░ about what are the ░░░░░░░░ that will affect his ░░░░░░░░ that if he rejects ░░░░░░░░ he has to go ░░░░░░░░ and explain why he ░░░░░░░░ t support them when ░░░░░░░░ had an opportunity I ░░░░░░░░ note you know I ░░░░░░░░ lovelove when people say ░░░░░░░░ m from West Virginia ░░░░░░░░ don t back down ░░░░░░░░ in every 50 state ░░░░░░░░ that Connecticut we don ░░░░░░░░ back down Massachusetts we ░░░░░░░░ the nutmeg state We ░░░░░░░░ all from America He ░░░░░░░░ from America too One ░░░░░░░░ doesn t back down ░░░░░░░░ than another That aside ░░░░░░░░ to get a sense ░░░░░░░░ the mood within the ░░░░░░░░ Party right now all ░░░░░░░░ have to look at ░░░░░░░░ the congressional retirements Two ░░░░░░░░ announced yesterday including Stephanie ░░░░░░░░ from Florida who is ░░░░░░░░ this swing district She ░░░░░░░░ seen as a centrist ░░░░░░░░ know she was seen ░░░░░░░░ someone within the party ░░░░░░░░ a lot of people ░░░░░░░░ had a bright future ░░░░░░░░ s not staying I ░░░░░░░░ that really does tell ░░░░░░░░ something Yeah She s ░░░░░░░░ canary in the coal ░░░░░░░░ This flood of democratic ░░░░░░░░ 22 so far of ░░░░░░░░ democratic incumbents a sign ░░░░░░░░ number one some of ░░░░░░░░ think they ll have ░░░░░░░░ tough re election battles ░░░░░░░░ is true of Stephanie ░░░░░░░░ who had trouble with ░░░░░░░░ in Florida Others who ░░░░░░░░ even from safe districts ░░░░░░░░ saying we are likely ░░░░░░░░ lose the majority of ░░░░░░░░ year s midterms Being ░░░░░░░░ the minority in the ░░░░░░░░ is no fun It ░░░░░░░░ been four years since ░░░░░░░░ got out of that ░░░░░░░░ You really don t ░░░░░░░░ very much power when ░░░░░░░░ re in the minority ░░░░░░░░ the house So this ░░░░░░░░ a sign that Democrats ░░░░░░░░ are there are making ░░░░░░░░ calculation Contrast that with ░░░░░░░░ I think we ve ░░░░░░░░ about 11 Republican house ░░░░░░░░ say they re going ░░░░░░░░ not run again That ░░░░░░░░ just half the number ░░░░░░░░ ve seen of these ░░░░░░░░ retirements Natasha what is ░░░░░░░░ impact of those democratic ░░░░░░░░ on efforts to get ░░░░░░░░ done come the new ░░░░░░░░ Well think when you ░░░░░░░░ all those retirements you ░░░░░░░░ to think about who ░░░░░░░░ in their place right ░░░░░░░░ there s recruiting new ░░░░░░░░ who perhaps don t ░░░░░░░░ the same name recognition ░░░░░░░░ the party They have ░░░░░░░░ think about fundraising sort ░░░░░░░░ how they re going ░░░░░░░░ basically fund these campaigns ░░░░░░░░ push these candidates out ░░░░░░░░ it s a drain ░░░░░░░░ energy and resources that ░░░░░░░░ Democrats feel they don ░░░░░░░░ really have to give ░░░░░░░░ this moment But they ░░░░░░░░ faced an uphill battle ░░░░░░░░ think historically being the ░░░░░░░░ of the president the ░░░░░░░░ were not in their ░░░░░░░░ You have to think ░░░░░░░░ as well But I ░░░░░░░░ it is important to ░░░░░░░░ remember there is still ░░░░░░░░ right It s a ░░░░░░░░ of what they do ░░░░░░░░ now and midterms Although ░░░░░░░░ focus has been on ░░░░░░░░ big sweeping legislation there ░░░░░░░░ still a need to ░░░░░░░░ that there s stability ░░░░░░░░ the country right with ░░░░░░░░ issues People are going ░░░░░░░░ remember these long Covid ░░░░░░░░ during the holidays They ░░░░░░░░ inflation They remember the ░░░░░░░░ to day of their ░░░░░░░░ They may also remember ░░░░░░░░ checks they got in ░░░░░░░░ mail Focus on those ░░░░░░░░ even as you re ░░░░░░░░ on the legislation and ░░░░░░░░ people a reason to ░░░░░░░░ back out for you ░░░░░░░░ readers care about student ░░░░░░░░ Perhaps people don t ░░░░░░░░ what was in Build ░░░░░░░░ Better but they re ░░░░░░░░ to remember if you ░░░░░░░░ the student loans and ░░░░░░░░ what you could do ░░░░░░░░ the power that you ░░░░░░░░ Don t talk about ░░░░░░░░ you can t do ░░░░░░░░ to see if the ░░░░░░░░ changes Natasha alnd Susan ░░░░░░░░ to hav you both ░░░░░░░░ morning. Thank you.