Jim Messina: The Debate Was Over on Those Two Moments, Crowd Sizes and Abortion

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MESSINA: “I mean, in the leadup to the debate, the Harris campaign kept saying we're going to bait him. We're going to bait him. The very first time she did he just -- on crowd sizes, he collapsed. He went into the worst version of him, the version that every swing voter was worried existed. He just proved it over and over again. The debate was over on those two moments, abortion --"
BRZEZINSKI: "Yeah."
MESSINA: "-- and crowd sizes.”