Klobuchar: ‘There Is Evidence’ Kavanaugh Lying About the Meaning of ‘Ralph Club’ and ‘Devil’s Triangle’

TAPPER: But you're not saying -- you're not asserting anything one way or the other about Julie Swetnick's claims. 

I want to ask you one last question, Senator. You said that you find it hard to believe -- I'm paraphrasing -- that Kavanaugh has never had any memory loss from drinking.

I want to ask you about when he was asked to explain some of the terms listed in his yearbook, which, of course, gets to state of mind, what kind of person he was during this era of his life, devil's triangle, Renate alumnus, terms that many believed referenced crass or sexist jokes.

He insisted they were much more innocent explanations. Did you believe that? 

KLOBUCHAR: I -- I don't know what those terms meant at the time, but there is evidence that they meant other things that were much different than what he said. 

And I think their way you get to the bottom of it, honestly, is you ask other people, his friends at the time, under oath or with the FBI, what those terms meant, and then you're able to assess -- much better assess his credibility.

TAPPER: I guess the thing that is interesting to me about the

Kavanaugh debate, the Kavanaugh -- the allegations against him is, there are a lot of suspicions against him about whether or not he ever had memory loss, about whether or not he's not telling the truth or being completely forthcoming about what his yearbook jokes meant.

But it doesn't seem to me that any of that, necessarily, especially when it comes to the memory loss, can be proven. And if you can't prove that -- and I get this is not a court of law, but it is a court of public opinion. 

And if you can't prove that he's not telling the truth, is that enough, even though I know you opposed him already based on policy grounds, is that enough to urge that his nomination be withdrawn, based on suspicion? 

KLOBUCHAR: Again, I don't want to engage in hypotheticals here, because, in the end, this is really going to be the decision of Senator Flake and Senator Collins and Senator Murkowski, Senator Manchin, some of the senators that are still undecided.

They are going to have to look at the whole record here, at his demeanor. They're going to have to look at those decisions he made, like finding the net neutrality rules unconstitutional, or finding the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau unconstitutional, his views of executive power, his views, for Senator Murkowski, on Native American rights.

TAPPER: Right.

KLOBUCHAR: His views on what happened here, and was he telling the truth or not?

And just for the country, a number of us said, whether we supported him or not, at least give them those facts as they make a decision on who they want to serve on the highest court of the land.

TAPPER: Senator Amy Klobuchar, Democrat of Minnesota, thanks so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. 

KLOBUCHAR: Thank you, Jake. It was great to be on.

TAPPER: Turn the other cheek or hit them where it hurts? As some are criticizing Kavanaugh's angry tone one leading Christian conservative says his party needs to stop electing nice guys. Coming up next.