Tapper Pushes Schiff About Collusion: ‘Are You Saying That Mueller Got It Wrong?’

TAPPER Let s turn ░░░░░░░░ the Mueller report You ░░░░░░░░ made clear that Congress ░░░░░░░░ get the Mueller report ░░░░░░░░ no redactions Tell me ░░░░░░░░ you stand on the ░░░░░░░░ of what kinds of ░░░░░░░░ if any you think ░░░░░░░░ acceptable in the public ░░░░░░░░ of the Mueller report ░░░░░░░░ Well look if there ░░░░░░░░ classified portions of the ░░░░░░░░ if there s the ░░░░░░░░ annex for example that ░░░░░░░░ need to be close ░░░░░░░░ depending on whether that ░░░░░░░░ sources and methods There ░░░░░░░░ even be some parts ░░░░░░░░ that though that can ░░░░░░░░ declassified in the public ░░░░░░░░ And in fact if ░░░░░░░░ look at the Mueller ░░░░░░░░ those two dealing with ░░░░░░░░ Russians that went into ░░░░░░░░ granular detail That would ░░░░░░░░ been previously classified information ░░░░░░░░ what the budget was ░░░░░░░░ that social media farm ░░░░░░░░ private e mails between ░░░░░░░░ of that social media ░░░░░░░░ and their family 09 ░░░░░░░░ 08 All of that ░░░░░░░░ at one point was ░░░░░░░░ but the decision must ░░░░░░░░ been made the public ░░░░░░░░ outweighs that And I ░░░░░░░░ a similar analysis should ░░░░░░░░ undertaken here TAPPER You ░░░░░░░░ been clear in your ░░░░░░░░ have been criticized a ░░░░░░░░ deal for saying that ░░░░░░░░ still see quote evidence ░░░░░░░░ collusion even though according ░░░░░░░░ Attorney General Barr the ░░░░░░░░ report says quote The ░░░░░░░░ did not establish that ░░░░░░░░ of the Trump campaign ░░░░░░░░ or coordinated with the ░░░░░░░░ government in its election ░░░░░░░░ activities unquote So are ░░░░░░░░ saying that Mueller got ░░░░░░░░ wrong Schiff No And ░░░░░░░░ I have said on ░░░░░░░░ show and others Jake ░░░░░░░░ over a year now ░░░░░░░░ that yes there s ░░░░░░░░ evidence of collusion in ░░░░░░░░ sight But that is ░░░░░░░░ the same thing as ░░░░░░░░ a criminal conspiracy beyond ░░░░░░░░ reasonable doubt and that ░░░░░░░░ would defer to Bob ░░░░░░░░ s judgment And I ░░░░░░░░ But I think what ░░░░░░░░ re talking about here ░░░░░░░░ the difference between conduct ░░░░░░░░ rises to the level ░░░░░░░░ criminality and conduct that ░░░░░░░░ deeply unethical unpatriotic and ░░░░░░░░ that may not be ░░░░░░░░ And I think you ░░░░░░░░ from Mr Mulvaney on ░░░░░░░░ show last week and ░░░░░░░░ we see from Mr ░░░░░░░░ and Mr McCarthy an ░░░░░░░░ that ethics don t ░░░░░░░░ If there s no ░░░░░░░░ there s no foul ░░░░░░░░ I think if we ░░░░░░░░ to that point in ░░░░░░░░ country then we re ░░░░░░░░ a very desperate situation ░░░░░░░░ Well let s talk ░░░░░░░░ this because you say ░░░░░░░░ think what the Trump ░░░░░░░░ members did was immoral ░░░░░░░░ and corrupt even if ░░░░░░░░ was not enough for ░░░░░░░░ charges Mulvaney the acting ░░░░░░░░ House chief of staff ░░░░░░░░ tell me on the ░░░░░░░░ last week that ethical ░░░░░░░░ are ultimately not your ░░░░░░░░ Take a listen BEGIN ░░░░░░░░ CLIP MICK MULVANEY ACTING ░░░░░░░░ House CHIEF OF STAFF ░░░░░░░░ s not the job ░░░░░░░░ the House Intelligence Committee ░░░░░░░░ s not the job ░░░░░░░░ the House Judiciary Committee ░░░░░░░░ s not the job ░░░░░░░░ the House Oversight Committee ░░░░░░░░ importantly members of Congress ░░░░░░░░ if they are the ░░░░░░░░ of the House Intelligence ░░░░░░░░ don t get to ░░░░░░░░ their judgment for the ░░░░░░░░ END VIDEO CLIP TAPPER ░░░░░░░░ s your response sir ░░░░░░░░ Well that is certainly ░░░░░░░░ president s attitude It ░░░░░░░░ not the job of ░░░░░░░░ to do oversight period ░░░░░░░░ indeed under the GOP ░░░░░░░░ they did no oversight ░░░░░░░░ it s our responsibility ░░░░░░░░ root out fraud corruption ░░░░░░░░ abuse whether it rises ░░░░░░░░ the level of criminality ░░░░░░░░ not If Mr Mulvaney ░░░░░░░░ standard is Congress cannot ░░░░░░░░ into anything unless there ░░░░░░░░ proof beyond a reasonable ░░░░░░░░ of crime then Congress ░░░░░░░░ be able to do ░░░░░░░░ or no oversight That ░░░░░░░░ simply not how Congress ░░░░░░░░ act or ever has ░░░░░░░░ We need to do ░░░░░░░░ legitimate oversight We need ░░░░░░░░ ferret out any kind ░░░░░░░░ malfeasance or abuse whether ░░░░░░░░ rises to something that ░░░░░░░░ Justice Department can prosecute ░░░░░░░░ not TAPPER How do ░░░░░░░░ respond to the suggestion ░░░░░░░░ by every Republican on ░░░░░░░░ committee they have called ░░░░░░░░ you to step down ░░░░░░░░ you going out there ░░░░░░░░ this report came out ░░░░░░░░ saying that there s ░░░░░░░░ of collusion and then ░░░░░░░░ comes out and says ░░░░░░░░ don t find any ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy or even coordination ░░░░░░░░ that what you re ░░░░░░░░ and what you said ░░░░░░░░ irresponsible because you re ░░░░░░░░ of muddying the waters ░░░░░░░░ is a standard that ░░░░░░░░ has And then you ░░░░░░░░ a different standard And ░░░░░░░░ people got confused and ░░░░░░░░ Democrats got their hopes ░░░░░░░░ Schiff Look I think ░░░░░░░░ is a different standard ░░░░░░░░ between the Republicans and ░░░░░░░░ Democrats The Republicans seem ░░░░░░░░ think that as long ░░░░░░░░ you can t prove ░░░░░░░░ s a crime then ░░░░░░░░ is fair love and ░░░░░░░░ that it s all ░░░░░░░░ what the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ Trump campaign does I ░░░░░░░░ t feel that way ░░░░░░░░ don t think most ░░░░░░░░ feel that way And ░░░░░░░░ what I have been ░░░░░░░░ all along is that ░░░░░░░░ evidence that I m ░░░░░░░░ about is in plain ░░░░░░░░ And I have used ░░░░░░░░ words probably 100 times ░░░░░░░░ the fact that the ░░░░░░░░ called on the Russians ░░░░░░░░ hack Hillary s e ░░░░░░░░ if the fact that ░░░░░░░░ Jr said he would ░░░░░░░░ to get the Russians ░░░░░░░░ all of this is ░░░░░░░░ plain sight if the ░░░░░░░░ think that s perfectly ░░░░░░░░ because it doesn t ░░░░░░░░ to the crime of ░░░░░░░░ then we are going ░░░░░░░░ part company And I ░░░░░░░░ not going to stop ░░░░░░░░ the point that we ░░░░░░░░ hold our president our ░░░░░░░░ our elected officials to ░░░░░░░░ higher standard than mere ░░░░░░░░ TAPPER And you have ░░░░░░░░ regrets of anything you ░░░░░░░░ said in the last ░░░░░░░░ years Schiff I don ░░░░░░░░ regret calling out this ░░░░░░░░ for what I consider ░░░░░░░░ unethical and improper conduct ░░░░░░░░ a bit And I ░░░░░░░░ the moment that we ░░░░░░░░ to think that that ░░░░░░░░ should back away from ░░░░░░░░ this kind of malfeasance ░░░░░░░░ corruption is a dangerous ░░░░░░░░ Now Jake you have ░░░░░░░░ the question many times ░░░░░░░░ there a risk of ░░░░░░░░ too much oversight There ░░░░░░░░ a risk when you ░░░░░░░░ an immoral president a ░░░░░░░░ lacking in basic character ░░░░░░░░ violates the norms of ░░░░░░░░ There is an even ░░░░░░░░ risk of doing too ░░░░░░░░ oversight So I make ░░░░░░░░ apologies for that And ░░░░░░░░ m going to continue ░░░░░░░░ this administration accountable.