Top Swedish Epidemiologist: There Will Be Little Difference with Countries Who’ve Locked Down and Who Didn’t

RUSH EXCERPT in Norway ░░░░░░░░ will affect for to ░░░░░░░░ than eight people so ░░░░░░░░ s part of the ░░░░░░░░ out all the reason ░░░░░░░░ Finland the epidemic never ░░░░░░░░ took up to cope ░░░░░░░░ they started their measures ░░░░░░░░ it had even started ░░░░░░░░ I think we should ░░░░░░░░ this discussion a year ░░░░░░░░ now let s let ░░░░░░░░ decide that we do ░░░░░░░░ the 17th of April ░░░░░░░░ 21 I think that ░░░░░░░░ difference between countries would ░░░░░░░░ quite small in the ░░░░░░░░ so that you don ░░░░░░░░ think that the severity ░░░░░░░░ the these intervening measures ░░░░░░░░ gonna make that much ░░░░░░░░ No I don t ░░░░░░░░ so I think it ░░░░░░░░ I tell you what ░░░░░░░░ really think I almost ░░░░░░░░ do this I think ░░░░░░░░ we re seeing is ░░░░░░░░ tsunami of a usually ░░░░░░░░ mild disease which is ░░░░░░░░ over Europe and some ░░░░░░░░ do this and some ░░░░░░░░ do that and some ░░░░░░░░ don t do that ░░░░░░░░ in the end there ░░░░░░░░ very little difference so ░░░░░░░░ you say it s ░░░░░░░░ usually quite mild to ░░░░░░░░ you what do you ░░░░░░░░ by that that most ░░░░░░░░ who get it will ░░░░░░░░ even notice they were ░░░░░░░░ so does that mean ░░░░░░░░ you think the actual ░░░░░░░░ rate of this diseases ░░░░░░░░ much lower than the ░░░░░░░░ that have been talked ░░░░░░░░ much much lower so ░░░░░░░░ you have have you ░░░░░░░░ any speculations as to ░░░░░░░░ sort of zone the ░░░░░░░░ fatality rate might be ░░░░░░░░ I think it would ░░░░░░░░ like a severe influenza ░░░░░░░░ the same as and ░░░░░░░░ would be an order ░░░░░░░░ 0 1 percent maybe ░░░░░░░░ that would suggest then ░░░░░░░░ a country like the ░░░░░░░░ K that has already ░░░░░░░░ is heading towards 20 ░░░░░░░░ deaths that would suggest ░░░░░░░░ millions many millions of ░░░░░░░░ have already had it ░░░░░░░░ and you believe do ░░░░░░░░ think that is also ░░░░░░░░ in Sweden then that ░░░░░░░░ that a substantial percentage ░░░░░░░░ the population has had ░░░░░░░░ yep I m rather ░░░░░░░░ on that actually and ░░░░░░░░ we get we don ░░░░░░░░ have the tests really ░░░░░░░░ as you know you ░░░░░░░░ these two kinda you ░░░░░░░░ this don t you ░░░░░░░░ tests yeah one that ░░░░░░░░ that you have it ░░░░░░░░ another one that tells ░░░░░░░░ that you had it ░░░░░░░░ some point before an ░░░░░░░░ or serology tests and ░░░░░░░░ are just being developed ░░░░░░░░ just being employed I ░░░░░░░░ from discussions with with ░░░░░░░░ in the U K ░░░░░░░░ you started last week ░░░░░░░░ 3 500 such tests ░░░░░░░░ you were gone with ░░░░░░░░ in one week and ░░░░░░░░ will be about a ░░░░░░░░ per week and when ░░░░░░░░ get tests that show ░░░░░░░░ people that have the ░░░░░░░░ you ll see that ░░░░░░░░ of them never even ░░░░░░░░ they had it but ░░░░░░░░ don t have yet ░░░░░░░░ effective antibody tests I ░░░░░░░░ t know you re ░░░░░░░░ but it s coming ░░░░░░░░ you re confident that ░░░░░░░░ will get those tests ░░░░░░░░ yes there s a ░░░░░░░░ of time and and ░░░░░░░░ what sort of percentage ░░░░░░░░ the population do you ░░░░░░░░ we will discover has ░░░░░░░░ it once once we ░░░░░░░░ mass antibody testing in ░░░░░░░░ at least home in ░░░░░░░░ United Kingdom what do ░░░░░░░░ mean in Sweden as ░░░░░░░░ those countries so the ░░░░░░░░ sort of rationale for ░░░░░░░░ these lockdowns across Europe ░░░░░░░░ has created such unbelievable ░░░░░░░░ effects and pretty much ░░░░░░░░ the whole world in ░░░░░░░░ tracks you believe is ░░░░░░░░ misguided policy and do ░░░░░░░░ think it s doing ░░░░░░░░ harm than good yes ░░░░░░░░ I mean if you ░░░░░░░░ what I m saying ░░░░░░░░ that people who will ░░░░░░░░ a few months later ░░░░░░░░ dying now and that ░░░░░░░░ taking months from their ░░░░░░░░ so that s maybe ░░░░░░░░ nice but comparing that ░░░░░░░░ the effects of the ░░░░░░░░ which may be I ░░░░░░░░ what am I most ░░░░░░░░ of it s the ░░░░░░░░ trends in Eastern Europe ░░░░░░░░ our bond is now ░░░░░░░░ for Hungary forever there ░░░░░░░░ no finishing date I ░░░░░░░░ the same is popping ░░░░░░░░ in other countries it ░░░░░░░░ pop up in more ░░░░░░░░ democracies as well I ░░░░░░░░ the ramifications can be ░░░░░░░░ from this we don ░░░░░░░░ even start seeing that ░░░░░░░░ s so you think ░░░░░░░░ correct policy from the ░░░░░░░░ just to get this ░░░░░░░░ should have been to ░░░░░░░░ old and vulnerable groups ░░░░░░░░ we ve failed so ░░░░░░░░ don t fade we ░░░░░░░░ on our toes enough ░░░░░░░░ really feel guilty but ░░░░░░░░ should have banned visitors ░░░░░░░░ many of the people ░░░░░░░░ in nursing homes are ░░░░░░░░ other countries they re ░░░░░░░░ or or asylum seekers ░░░░░░░░ Sweden they re Swedish ░░░░░░░░ not be perfect they ░░░░░░░░ not always be understand ░░░░░░░░ information that has been ░░░░░░░░ to the population there ░░░░░░░░ many things we could ░░░░░░░░ done better a couple ░░░░░░░░ it or a couple ░░░░░░░░ months ago so this ░░░░░░░░ the point we are ░░░░░░░░ what you re advocating ░░░░░░░░ is we protected groups ░░░░░░░░ and as far as ░░░░░░░░ rest of the population ░░░░░░░░ is concerned we just ░░░░░░░░ it to pass through ░░░░░░░░ population essentially essentially yes ░░░░░░░░ is I mean I ░░░░░░░░ that it s now ░░░░░░░░ understood by what we ░░░░░░░░ the herd immunity basically ░░░░░░░░ it s not just ░░░░░░░░ old and frail I ░░░░░░░░ there are the people ░░░░░░░░ should be protected but ░░░░░░░░ don t think you ░░░░░░░░ stop it it s ░░░░░░░░ so try you can ░░░░░░░░ it for some time ░░░░░░░░ then I mean countries ░░░░░░░░ have been successful South ░░░░░░░░ is giving up now ░░░░░░░░ can t maintain their ░░░░░░░░ Taiwan I don t ░░░░░░░░ about Taiwan they were ░░░░░░░░ as a Singapore similar ░░░░░░░░ is countries that are ░░░░░░░░ up is the most ░░░░░░░░ in some cases once ░░░░░░░░ Totti managed to suppress ░░░░░░░░ outbreak you think that ░░░░░░░░ s just a question ░░░░░░░░ delay and actually they ░░░░░░░░ t be able to ░░░░░░░░ that back No so ░░░░░░░░ how should we judge ░░░░░░░░ then it seems like ░░░░░░░░ of deaths does seem ░░░░░░░░ a fair a measure ░░░░░░░░ if you re saying ░░░░░░░░ they re essentially deaths ░░░░░░░░ are just going to ░░░░░░░░ later you know it ░░░░░░░░ sound to some people ░░░░░░░░ I can say he ░░░░░░░░ a cold hearted approach ░░░░░░░░ suppose that you know ░░░░░░░░ you re saying they ░░░░░░░░ going to die anyway ░░░░░░░░ we should allow the ░░░░░░░░ to take its path ░░░░░░░░ think a lot of ░░░░░░░░ might feel that a ░░░░░░░░ can t sit back ░░░░░░░░ do that if they ░░░░░░░░ you know if now ░░░░░░░░ had this locked and ░░░░░░░░ were headed towards 20 ░░░░░░░░ deaths how many deaths ░░░░░░░░ we have had if ░░░░░░░░ had had no lockdown ░░░░░░░░ it have been more ░░░░░░░░ have probably bit more ░░░░░░░░ in the end the ░░░░░░░░ would be rather much ░░░░░░░░ same and I agreed ░░░░░░░░ bit callous to say ░░░░░░░░ the people we re ░░░░░░░░ saying that we same ░░░░░░░░ tried to slow the ░░░░░░░░ of the epidemic a ░░░░░░░░ so that the health ░░░░░░░░ system will manage when ░░░░░░░░ have many sick people ░░░░░░░░ severely ill people but ░░░░░░░░ s more there I ░░░░░░░░ t think you can ░░░░░░░░ really at some point ░░░░░░░░ the it s like ░░░░░░░░ tsunami is not a ░░░░░░░░ it will roll over ░░░░░░░░ no matter what you ░░░░░░░░ and will will as ░░░░░░░░ rolls in sooner or ░░░░░░░░ will presumably treatments will ░░░░░░░░ yes we ll get ░░░░░░░░ at knowing how to ░░░░░░░░ it it already feels ░░░░░░░░ the initial focus on ░░░░░░░░ is shifted to other ░░░░░░░░ and people are thinking ░░░░░░░░ new ways to treat ░░░░░░░░ is that in itself ░░░░░░░░ an argument for suppressing ░░░░░░░░ as much but how ░░░░░░░░ in a democracy do ░░░░░░░░ think it would keep ░░░░░░░░ look down how long ░░░░░░░░ it take before people ░░░░░░░░ no I m not ░░░░░░░░ you can do it ░░░░░░░░ China in China you ░░░░░░░░ do it you can ░░░░░░░░ people to stay at ░░░░░░░░ and you can weld ░░░░░░░░ that door so they ░░░░░░░░ t get out but ░░░░░░░░ a democracy you can ░░░░░░░░ and also be 3 ░░░░░░░░ weeks people will say ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ who had the co ░░░░░░░░ and I haven t ░░░░░░░░ and I won t ░░░░░░░░ out I want to ░░░░░░░░ down to the pub ░░░░░░░░ so how long do ░░░░░░░░ think you could look ░░░░░░░░ up like this stay ░░░░░░░░ your home you need ░░░░░░░░ permit to go to ░░░░░░░░ shop and we don ░░░░░░░░ actually need a permit ░░░░░░░░ yeah I mean I ░░░░░░░░ think we ve now ░░░░░░░░ had it extended by ░░░░░░░░ weeks you know there ░░░░░░░░ an enormous amount of ░░░░░░░░ support for it and ░░░░░░░░ s one of the ░░░░░░░░ factors about this that ░░░░░░░░ the moment the public ░░░░░░░░ very much on side ░░░░░░░░ the lockdown in the ░░░░░░░░ Kingdom some people seem ░░░░░░░░ like it Laughter there ░░░░░░░░ be that it s ░░░░░░░░ to persuade people to ░░░░░░░░ back in some way ░░░░░░░░ do you feel doctor ░░░░░░░░ ago that the policies ░░░░░░░░ have been put in ░░░░░░░░ by the U K ░░░░░░░░ by other European governments ░░░░░░░░ did they come about ░░░░░░░░ ve been a leading ░░░░░░░░ for your whole career ░░░░░░░░ dealt with influencers and ░░░░░░░░ and you advise the ░░░░░░░░ Health Organization what was ░░░░░░░░ about this pandemic that ░░░░░░░░ so different that has ░░░░░░░░ to this global shut ░░░░░░░░ new disease a lot ░░░░░░░░ people dying you don ░░░░░░░░ know really what will ░░░░░░░░ and this fear of ░░░░░░░░ I think is almost ░░░░░░░░ in people and showing ░░░░░░░░ strength decisiveness force very ░░░░░░░░ to politicians do you ░░░░░░░░ the fact that it ░░░░░░░░ out of China and ░░░░░░░░ did witnessed such a ░░░░░░░░ response quarantining whole provinces ░░░░░░░░ so on set the ░░░░░░░░ in some way and ░░░░░░░░ that felt like the ░░░░░░░░ could be wouldn t ░░░░░░░░ s do like the ░░░░░░░░ using but again you ░░░░░░░░ t compare to China ░░░░░░░░ s a different world ░░░░░░░░ do you think you ░░░░░░░░ keep the looked and ░░░░░░░░ protect the old people ░░░░░░░░ we have good drugs ░░░░░░░░ good vaccines six months ░░░░░░░░ year 18 months I ░░░░░░░░ people would get a ░░░░░░░░ tired of it even ░░░░░░░░ they support the policy ░░░░░░░░ the U K so ░░░░░░░░ couple of specific things ░░░░░░░░ have occurred to me ░░░░░░░░ our conversation one is ░░░░░░░░ many deaths do you ░░░░░░░░ in Sweden your effort ░░░░░░░░ 1 400 or I ░░░░░░░░ it will be like ░░░░░░░░ severe influenza and it ░░░░░░░░ interesting with your plants ░░░░░░░░ when the flu comes ░░░░░░░░ all say oh the ░░░░░░░░ is coming like every ░░░░░░░░ it s in the ░░░░░░░░ the blue is here ░░░░░░░░ and it usually kills ░░░░░░░░ this country around 1 ░░░░░░░░ 2 000 people but ░░░░░░░░ s normal its influenza ░░░░░░░░ have it every year ░░░░░░░░ they re old and ░░░░░░░░ re going to die ░░░░░░░░ anyway so no one ░░░░░░░░ very upset about influenza ░░░░░░░░ I think even if ░░░░░░░░ plans I came around ░░░░░░░░ a new disease you ░░░░░░░░ had it before but ░░░░░░░░ this new disease called ░░░░░░░░ France a popped up ░░░░░░░░ would have exactly the ░░░░░░░░ reaction as we have ░░░░░░░░ so I think the ░░░░░░░░ of this will about ░░░░░░░░ about the same as ░░░░░░░░ a Siberia grams of ░░░░░░░░ winter Sweden how many ░░░░░░░░ you 50 million yeah ░░░░░░░░ 65 so multiply by ░░░░░░░░ so it would be ░░░░░░░░ 000 cases and in ░░░░░░░░ U K maybe think ░░░░░░░░ the lottery influenza deaths ░░░░░░░░ not booked or they ░░░░░░░░ not recorded in that ░░░░░░░░ anyway in Norman in ░░░░░░░░ disease so I think ░░░░░░░░ is similar above the ░░░░░░░░ money it may be ░░░░░░░░ as much but it ░░░░░░░░ t be 10 times ░░░░░░░░ much and the the ░░░░░░░░ from hospitals that are ░░░░░░░░ different are made that ░░░░░░░░ the the way disease ░░░░░░░░ seems different from influenza ░░░░░░░░ s different it s ░░░░░░░░ the same disease as ░░░░░░░░ freelancer and but it ░░░░░░░░ it s no the ░░░░░░░░ of the epidemic is ░░░░░░░░ that different there are ░░░░░░░░ few differences for example ░░░░░░░░ influences written by children ░░░░░░░░ influence outbreak is driven ░░░░░░░░ children in society they ░░░░░░░░ the ones who toss ░░░░░░░░ on between the generations ░░░░░░░░ this does not hurt ░░░░░░░░ very much they don ░░░░░░░░ have any symptoms and ░░░░░░░░ re not very infectious ░░░░░░░░ that there are logical ░░░░░░░░ hmm see when when ░░░░░░░░ about all people like ░░░░░░░░ did I suppose two ░░░░░░░░ a lot of people ░░░░░░░░ say that young people ░░░░░░░░ been dying of covered ░░░░░░░░ there there are examples ░░░░░░░░ young people and some ░░░░░░░░ the day droughts of ░░░░░░░░ suggest that a large ░░░░░░░░ a large number of ░░░░░░░░ are among younger people ░░░░░░░░ is it responsible to ░░░░░░░░ it as just a ░░░░░░░░ for elderly people no ░░░░░░░░ in grounds like heals ░░░░░░░░ you don t know ░░░░░░░░ money and it much ░░░░░░░░ makes more headlines right ░░░░░░░░ and if you look ░░░░░░░░ the data I mean ░░░░░░░░ people under 50 or ░░░░░░░░ mile clear minority of ░░░░░░░░ the cases so if ░░░░░░░░ m I m 38 ░░░░░░░░ m on the sort ░░░░░░░░ borders between young and ░░░░░░░░ okay if you re ░░░░░░░░ than me what is ░░░░░░░░ advice to young people ░░░░░░░░ mean should they be ░░░░░░░░ to have the lockdown ░░░░░░░░ eased because it s ░░░░░░░░ what is what are ░░░░░░░░ risks for young people ░░░░░░░░ we re told that ░░░░░░░░ s about carrying the ░░░░░░░░ to other people and ░░░░░░░░ act as spreaders even ░░░░░░░░ they re not vulnerable ░░░░░░░░ what should we be ░░░░░░░░ with younger people no ░░░░░░░░ think it s good ░░░░░░░░ you do no they ░░░░░░░░ t hurt that much ░░░░░░░░ mean you can t ░░░░░░░░ that it s completely ░░░░░░░░ and what you would ░░░░░░░░ in it but it ░░░░░░░░ not completely safe I ░░░░░░░░ there will be young ░░░░░░░░ who die but for ░░░░░░░░ majority it s but ░░░░░░░░ you said is correct ░░░░░░░░ they should think about ░░░░░░░░ other people that s ░░░░░░░░ because they move around ░░░░░░░░ lot then they shouldn ░░░░░░░░ meet the grandmother and ░░░░░░░░ too much and until ░░░░░░░░ ve had it themselves ░░░░░░░░ so I m just ░░░░░░░░ to guess that s ░░░░░░░░ we re nearing time ░░░░░░░░ I just want to ░░░░░░░░ a sense what should ░░░░░░░░ British government do now ░░░░░░░░ your opinion did we ░░░░░░░░ say okay lockdown is ░░░░░░░░ no you can t ░░░░░░░░ that then you have ░░░░░░░░ of all cases then ░░░░░░░░ really have a peak ░░░░░░░░ week two weeks later ░░░░░░░░ you took away all ░░░░░░░░ doctor now you ll ░░░░░░░░ to climb down one ░░░░░░░░ one rung of the ░░░░░░░░ at the time and ░░░░░░░░ start with the school ░░░░░░░░ maybe it s a ░░░░░░░░ thing it makes society ░░░░░░░░ mean in this country ░░░░░░░░ we have 1 million ░░░░░░░░ killed run between 0 ░░░░░░░░ 10 they need to ░░░░░░░░ looked after if the ░░░░░░░░ in school that someone ░░░░░░░░ to stay at home ░░░░░░░░ them and one of ░░░░░░░░ friends is a nurse ░░░░░░░░ head of an emergency ░░░░░░░░ here emergency ward here ░░░░░░░░ Stockholm she prays every ░░░░░░░░ when she wakes up ░░░░░░░░ the government will not ░░░░░░░░ Junior School because then ░░░░░░░░ loses our office tough ░░░░░░░░ school closure is one ░░░░░░░░ but I think one ░░░░░░░░ has to be taken ░░░░░░░░ the time and it ░░░░░░░░ interesting how the countries ░░░░░░░░ Europe are sort of ░░░░░░░░ the approaching the Swedish ░░░░░░░░ now they re opening ░░░░░░░░ schools in all the ░░░░░░░░ countries in Austria you ░░░░░░░░ shop in a job ░░░░░░░░ s more than 400 ░░░░░░░░ metres in Germany that ░░░░░░░░ did the same thing ░░░░░░░░ Monday in Germany they ░░░░░░░░ also thinking about opening ░░░░░░░░ schools again so countries ░░░░░░░░ approaching the Swedish but ░░░░░░░░ had a lockdown first ░░░░░░░░ you don t think ░░░░░░░░ this there s two ░░░░░░░░ there s two things ░░░░░░░░ people get very hopeful ░░░░░░░░ one is a vaccine ░░░░░░░░ then somewhere we can ░░░░░░░░ the disease completely into ░░░░░░░░ vaccine comes is that ░░░░░░░░ that a feasible strength ░░░░░░░░ ll take too long ░░░░░░░░ won t work in ░░░░░░░░ democracy and one other ░░░░░░░░ are these so called ░░░░░░░░ passports or the people ░░░░░░░░ have proven to have ░░░░░░░░ the disease they could ░░░░░░░░ carry a wristband or ░░░░░░░░ that and they would ░░░░░░░░ be allowed back into ░░░░░░░░ and in full society ░░░░░░░░ that a feasible strategy ░░░░░░░░ your view there are ░░░░░░░░ technical problems with like ░░░░░░░░ indicated the antibody tests ░░░░░░░░ not that perfect yet ░░░░░░░░ it will be but ░░░░░░░░ s it s not ░░░░░░░░ bad idea do you ░░░░░░░░ a passport you tell ░░░░░░░░ boss at work that ░░░░░░░░ m immune maybe he ░░░░░░░░ to see a paper ░░░░░░░░ I mean that s ░░░░░░░░ way it will work ░░░░░░░░ you find people are ░░░░░░░░ and they can go ░░░░░░░░ and you can work ░░░░░░░░ the house but without ░░░░░░░░ this spacesuit on things ░░░░░░░░ will that be part ░░░░░░░░ the Swedish strategy yeah ░░░░░░░░ so in terms of ░░░░░░░░ happens next then in ░░░░░░░░ you know there s ░░░░░░░░ huge amount of pressure ░░░░░░░░ lot of people are ░░░░░░░░ to prove that it ░░░░░░░░ a mistake in some ░░░░░░░░ um do you think ░░░░░░░░ Swedish strategy will just ░░░░░░░░ as it has been ░░░░░░░░ don t think it ░░░░░░░░ be tougher no we ░░░░░░░░ talking now about opening ░░░░░░░░ final year of schooling ░░░░░░░░ that people who spent ░░░░░░░░ years in school can ░░░░░░░░ which is a big ░░░░░░░░ in this country it ░░░░░░░░ not because of the ░░░░░░░░ is being done but ░░░░░░░░ s to see that ░░░░░░░░ who finish school get ░░░░░░░░ and finish all the ░░░░░░░░ they have to take ░░░░░░░░ things like that and ░░░░░░░░ so so the the ░░░░░░░░ you feel like the ░░░░░░░░ is improving sufficiently in ░░░░░░░░ to start releasing further ░░░░░░░░ suppression measures yes and ░░░░░░░░ did how did that ░░░░░░░░ without a lockdown well ░░░░░░░░ if just by voluntary ░░░░░░░░ distancing has already achieved ░░░░░░░░ you believe mm hmm ░░░░░░░░ there are some maybe ░░░░░░░░ should finish this now ░░░░░░░░ one it s not ░░░░░░░░ little what do you ░░░░░░░░ a minor low in ░░░░░░░░ it s an ordinance ░░░░░░░░ s something that not ░░░░░░░░ strong as a law ░░░░░░░░ anyway yeah restaurants the ░░░░░░░░ is you can only ░░░░░░░░ sitting down the food ░░░░░░░░ be hot and served ░░░░░░░░ the table you don ░░░░░░░░ go out you can ░░░░░░░░ stand up drinking if ░░░░░░░░ want your beer you ░░░░░░░░ to sit down at ░░░░░░░░ table which is five ░░░░░░░░ away from the nearest ░░░░░░░░ yeah and that s ░░░░░░░░ checked now so that ░░░░░░░░ it s not the ░░░░░░░░ is the local medical ░░░░░░░░ of health that go ░░░░░░░░ and check restaurants and ░░░░░░░░ they close two or ░░░░░░░░ restaurants because the tables ░░░░░░░░ too close or people ░░░░░░░░ standing at the bar ░░░░░░░░ other follows you you ░░░░░░░░ t need a low ░░░░░░░░ that they know that ░░░░░░░░ the MOH the many ░░░░░░░░ officer of health comes ░░░░░░░░ they re closed for ░░░░░░░░ when do we get ░░░░░░░░ that when can we ░░░░░░░░ back to normal there ░░░░░░░░ no social distancing at ░░░░░░░░ what will be the ░░░░░░░░ for making that decision ░░░░░░░░ question I m not ░░░░░░░░ sure I can answer ░░░░░░░░ for food but it ░░░░░░░░ take a couple of ░░░░░░░░ to climb down from ░░░░░░░░ lockdown you can t ░░░░░░░░ down from a look ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ thank you so much ░░░░░░░░ your time that was ░░░░░░░░ thank you and we ░░░░░░░░ entirely different perspective there ░░░░░░░░ we will definitely be ░░░░░░░░ touch in one year ░░░░░░░░ now but hopefully we ░░░░░░░░ get a chance to ░░░░░░░░ to you before that ░░░░░░░░ thank you thank you ░░░░░░░░ there you have it ░░░░░░░░ have been watching lockdown ░░░░░░░░ from unheard that was ░░░░░░░░ you honkey secure from ░░░░░░░░ the former state epidemiologist ░░░░░░░░ to the World Health ░░░░░░░░ who believes that the ░░░░░░░░ imposed across Europe and ░░░░░░░░ the United Kingdom were ░░░░░░░░ wrong policy and that ░░░░░░░░ re going to find ░░░░░░░░ very difficult to reverse ░░░░░░░░ of so that is ░░░░░░░░ different perspective thanks for ░░░░░░░░ in and we will ░░░░░░░░ back next week you