To access this clip without audiomarks, please purchase it, or upgrade your account.
Hayden: We ‘Are More Secure if It’s Much More Difficult for Anyone to Break the Encryption on Our IPhones’



Morning Joe

Name: Morning Joe


Joe Scarborough

Name: Joe Scarborough

Employment: MSNBC

Position: Host, Author

, Michael Hayden

Name: Michael Hayden

Employment: National Security Agency

Position: Former Director

, Nicolle Wallace

Name: Nicolle Wallace

Employment: Self-employed

Position: Author, Political analyst

Event location
Not online media
02/23/2016 07:54 am
MP4 (720x404) Use clipper to adjust file type
RUSH TRANSCRIPT BRZEZINSKI I ░░░░░░░░ to ask you about ░░░░░░░░ versus the FBI although ░░░░░░░░ conversation is fascinating This ░░░░░░░░ why we had you ░░░░░░░░ because you are trending ░░░░░░░░ the government This is ░░░░░░░░ pertaining to the phone ░░░░░░░░ one of the San ░░░░░░░░ shooters HYDEN Yes BRZEZINSKI ░░░░░░░░ it s a little ░░░░░░░░ more complicated than whether ░░░░░░░░ should just hand it ░░░░░░░░ or not HYDEN It ░░░░░░░░ For the theme of ░░░░░░░░ book which is this ░░░░░░░░ hard The two sides ░░░░░░░░ not defined by dark ░░░░░░░░ light Tim cook and ░░░░░░░░ in the general proposition ░░░░░░░░ we should not compel ░░░░░░░░ to build back doors ░░░░░░░░ all of his devices ░░░░░░░░ almost unassailable I don ░░░░░░░░ know how the government ░░░░░░░░ that We re going ░░░░░░░░ legislate against technology today ░░░░░░░░ how that works BRZEZINSKI ░░░░░░░░ sitting right there What ░░░░░░░░ you do HYDEN This ░░░░░░░░ different This is a ░░░░░░░░ case They re being ░░░░░░░░ to suppress one aspect ░░░░░░░░ the operating system so ░░░░░░░░ government can take a ░░░░░░░░ at decryption I agree ░░░░░░░░ Tim cook but the ░░░░░░░░ of proof is on ░░░░░░░░ to prove to me ░░░░░░░░ public if he wants ░░░░░░░░ stop it he has ░░░░░░░░ prove that this which ░░░░░░░░ think is very narrow ░░░░░░░░ limited ultimately leads to ░░░░░░░░ I am unconvinced Doesn ░░░░░░░░ help that the local ░░░░░░░░ U S Attorney here ░░░░░░░░ Vance immediately says I ░░░░░░░░ another roomful of things ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ right behind the San ░░░░░░░░ guys because that trends ░░░░░░░░ discussion then into the ░░░░░░░░ approach rather than this ░░░░░░░░ off BRZEZINSKI Isn t ░░░░░░░░ like torture How much ░░░░░░░░ you get out of ░░░░░░░░ What s it worth ░░░░░░░░ There are a lot ░░░░░░░░ sub arguments How much ░░░░░░░░ can be in there ░░░░░░░░ much more do you ░░░░░░░░ to know BRZEZINSKI There ░░░░░░░░ be a lot HYDEN ░░░░░░░░ Mika BRZEZINSKI Talking about ░░░░░░░░ having phones in New ░░░░░░░░ City HYDEN But then ░░░░░░░░ re starting to trend ░░░░░░░░ the direction Tim cook ░░░░░░░░ have the position all ░░░░░░░░ that I will refuse ░░░░░░░░ give law enforcement any ░░░░░░░░ under any circumstances That ░░░░░░░░ a loser An equally ░░░░░░░░ position is our government ░░░░░░░░ that American industry embed ░░░░░░░░ their products a back ░░░░░░░░ I tell you why ░░░░░░░░ ran the NSA too ░░░░░░░░ the CIA When somebody ░░░░░░░░ a back door into ░░░░░░░░ for any purpose no ░░░░░░░░ how noble my simple ░░░░░░░░ was thank you Jesus ░░░░░░░░ Yeah HYDEN Because we ░░░░░░░░ going to come we ░░░░░░░░ going to exploit that ░░░░░░░░ door There are a ░░░░░░░░ of talented security services ░░░░░░░░ Don t think of ░░░░░░░░ as just security and ░░░░░░░░ This is security and ░░░░░░░░ Because you you me ░░░░░░░░ more secure if it ░░░░░░░░ much more difficult for ░░░░░░░░ to break the encryption ░░░░░░░░ our iPhones.”
To view this clip's transcript, log into your Grabien account.