RUSH TRANSCRIPT On the ░░░░░░░░ as a quote free ░░░░░░░░ Ronato is a senior ░░░░░░░░ analyst Good to see ░░░░░░░░ This is the latest ░░░░░░░░ of a witness contradicting ░░░░░░░░ from Ambassador sondland Is ░░░░░░░░ a giant risk here ░░░░░░░░ is at a point ░░░░░░░░ where multiple witnesses have ░░░░░░░░ him His lawyer has ░░░░░░░░ trying to square the ░░░░░░░░ so to speak trying ░░░░░░░░ clarify his testimony It ░░░░░░░░ an issue for sondland ░░░░░░░░ know he s somebody ░░░░░░░░ of all there s ░░░░░░░░ concern He s a ░░░░░░░░ man who seems to ░░░░░░░░ concerned about his reputation ░░░░░░░░ also of course lying ░░░░░░░░ Congress is a crime ░░░░░░░░ don t expect the ░░░░░░░░ Administration to take the ░░░░░░░░ in prosecuting him But ░░░░░░░░ s not a good ░░░░░░░░ and frankly if he ░░░░░░░░ concerned less with his ░░░░░░░░ and more with his ░░░░░░░░ jeopardy he should take ░░░░░░░░ fifth So his testimony ░░░░░░░░ by way of what ░░░░░░░░ like a deposition behind ░░░░░░░░ doors inquiry but then ░░░░░░░░ that this vote has ░░░░░░░░ a lot of these ░░░░░░░░ would be called back ░░░░░░░░ they would be now ░░░░░░░░ publicly And if there ░░░░░░░░ contradictions in his deposition ░░░░░░░░ the more public testimony ░░░░░░░░ indeed he testifies again ░░░░░░░░ that where the potential ░░░░░░░░ would come in While ░░░░░░░░ White House may not ░░░░░░░░ the one launching that ░░░░░░░░ would be Congress then ░░░░░░░░ would be up to ░░░░░░░░ to pursue any perjury ░░░░░░░░ Well they could try ░░░░░░░░ hold him in contempt ░░░░░░░░ me they could try ░░░░░░░░ what they would do ░░░░░░░░ refer this to the ░░░░░░░░ States attorney in the ░░░░░░░░ of Columbia and that ░░░░░░░░ is part of the ░░░░░░░░ Department Ultimately that office ░░░░░░░░ decide not to act ░░░░░░░░ it I would say ░░░░░░░░ that he could he ░░░░░░░░ already testified And that ░░░░░░░░ testimony if it s ░░░░░░░░ is a problem for ░░░░░░░░ Now I suppose what ░░░░░░░░ s going to say ░░░░░░░░ I was mistaken or ░░░░░░░░ forgot something You know ░░░░░░░░ ll try to say ░░░░░░░░ wasn t a purposeful ░░░░░░░░ statement That statement would ░░░░░░░░ to be knowingly and ░░░░░░░░ false for it to ░░░░░░░░ something that could be ░░░░░░░░ So Speaker Pelosi has ░░░░░░░░ repeatedly that a cover ░░░░░░░░ took place in the ░░░░░░░░ House so put on ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor hat for me ░░░░░░░░ on what we know ░░░░░░░░ the Ukraine call based ░░░░░░░░ even the president s ░░░░░░░░ Rudy Giuliani the personal ░░░░░░░░ his admission and there ░░░░░░░░ some Republicans who say ░░░░░░░░ the transcript may say ░░░░░░░░ but it s not ░░░░░░░░ it s not considered ░░░░░░░░ high crimes and misdemeanor ░░░░░░░░ you dispute that Well ░░░░░░░░ think there s very ░░░░░░░░ question that this is ░░░░░░░░ a high crime or ░░░░░░░░ I mean this is ░░░░░░░░ abuse of power by ░░░░░░░░ president where he is ░░░░░░░░ his office for his ░░░░░░░░ gain It seems there ░░░░░░░░ ample evidence of a ░░░░░░░░ pro quo Republicans are ░░░░░░░░ about coming out and ░░░░░░░░ that The question is ░░░░░░░░ this is something that ░░░░░░░░ his removal That s ░░░░░░░░ that the Senate can ░░░░░░░░ whether or not it ░░░░░░░░ sufficiently problematic to do ░░░░░░░░ I mean but as ░░░░░░░░ whether or not this ░░░░░░░░ something that could be ░░░░░░░░ high crime I think ░░░░░░░░ s absolutely the case ░░░░░░░░ The Washington Post is ░░░░░░░░ that an increasing number ░░░░░░░░ Republican senators are considering ░░░░░░░░ yes there was a ░░░░░░░░ pro quo There was ░░░░░░░░ this for that on ░░░░░░░░ July 25th call But ░░░░░░░░ Trump s actions you ░░░░░░░░ may be eyebrow raising ░░░░░░░░ it s certainly not ░░░░░░░░ So I want you ░░░░░░░░ listen to something that ░░░░░░░░ of your fellow CNN ░░░░░░░░ analyst colleagues impeachment attorney ░░░░░░░░ Garber said on that ░░░░░░░░ think there s been ░░░░░░░░ little bit of a ░░░░░░░░ about what quid pro ░░░░░░░░ means Quid pro quo ░░░░░░░░ this for that The ░░░░░░░░ that Mick Mulvaney made ░░░░░░░░ that yeah there are ░░░░░░░░ all the time in ░░░░░░░░ The big question though ░░░░░░░░ not the this for ░░░░░░░░ it s the intent ░░░░░░░░ President Trump was doing ░░░░░░░░ exchange this condition for ░░░░░░░░ good of the American ░░░░░░░░ for the good of ░░░░░░░░ government well that s ░░░░░░░░ thing that s not ░░░░░░░░ crime that s not ░░░░░░░░ If on the other ░░░░░░░░ what he was trying ░░░░░░░░ do was advance his ░░░░░░░░ or his personal interests ░░░░░░░░ that could be another ░░░░░░░░ So that s going ░░░░░░░░ be the interesting portion ░░░░░░░░ know it s proving ░░░░░░░░ this is for the ░░░░░░░░ of The Nation or ░░░░░░░░ guess the narrative Was ░░░░░░░░ action for the good ░░░░░░░░ The Nation or was ░░░░░░░░ indeed for personal gain ░░░░░░░░ if a foreign country ░░░░░░░░ being asked to investigate ░░░░░░░░ political opponent of the ░░░░░░░░ in time for an ░░░░░░░░ election how is that ░░░░░░░░ issue of national security ░░░░░░░░ the protection of this ░░░░░░░░ as opposed to for ░░░░░░░░ gain Yeah Fred I ░░░░░░░░ what Mr Garber is ░░░░░░░░ He s correct that ░░░░░░░░ if the president was ░░░░░░░░ to leverage the Ukrainians ░░░░░░░░ get lower tariffs for ░░░░░░░░ S Products or to ░░░░░░░░ Jobs for Americans if ░░░░░░░░ was trying to get ░░░░░░░░ to buy U S ░░░░░░░░ for example none of ░░░░░░░░ would be talking about ░░░░░░░░ right You wouldn t ░░░░░░░░ asking me questions about ░░░░░░░░ quid pro quo I ░░░░░░░░ it s I think ░░░░░░░░ sort of assumes that ░░░░░░░░ an investigation of Joe ░░░░░░░░ is not something that ░░░░░░░░ president should be focused ░░░░░░░░ for the good of ░░░░░░░░ Nation This is a ░░░░░░░░ political move because Biden ░░░░░░░░ well may be the ░░░░░░░░ s opponent and we ░░░░░░░░ from the president s ░░░░░░░░ that he s very ░░░░░░░░ about Joe Biden So ░░░░░░░░ think on its face ░░░░░░░░ appears to be something ░░░░░░░░ benefits Donald Trump himself ░░░░░░░░ opposed to benefitting the ░░░░░░░░ States That s why ░░░░░░░░ so long the question ░░░░░░░░ been a quid pro ░░░░░░░░ and the Republican line ░░░░░░░░ been that there isn ░░░░░░░░ one because the assumption ░░░░░░░░ is that the quid ░░░░░░░░ quo would be for ░░░░░░░░ benefit of the president ░░░░░░░░ All right, fascinating.