Rothman Battles Anti-Vaping Advocate: ‘Your Suggestion’ Is Banning ‘One of ‘the Most Effective Anti-Smoking Cessation Products’?

RUHLE Noah Rothman is ░░░░░░░░ he s the associate ░░░░░░░░ of Commentary magazine His ░░░░░░░░ article calls a move ░░░░░░░░ ban e cigarettes the ░░░░░░░░ of a moral panic ░░░░░░░░ let s start with ░░░░░░░░ If experts are not ░░░░░░░░ sure that these things ░░░░░░░░ not completely dangerous what ░░░░░░░░ wrong with pulling them ░░░░░░░░ the shelves until we ░░░░░░░░ for sure ROTHMAN Well ░░░░░░░░ s start briefly with ░░░░░░░░ introduction of this segment ░░░░░░░░ said these illnesses were ░░░░░░░░ That s really not ░░░░░░░░ case Scott Gottlieb former ░░░░░░░░ Director said specifically that ░░░░░░░░ is the result of ░░░░░░░░ products manufactured illegally entering ░░░░░░░░ market illegally and New ░░░░░░░░ Journal of Medicine study ░░░░░░░░ this year that 84 ░░░░░░░░ those sickened were using ░░░░░░░░ products that were illegally ░░░░░░░░ Not something in the ░░░░░░░░ so RUHLE So you ░░░░░░░░ talking about e cigarettes ░░░░░░░░ bootlegged and used for ░░░░░░░░ else ROTHMAN Not e ░░░░░░░░ THC products using vitamin ░░░░░░░░ acetates and emulsifier to ░░░░░░░░ this stuff Short effects ░░░░░░░░ is something we know ░░░░░░░░ this is dangerous for ░░░░░░░░ and we do know ░░░░░░░░ the vegetable glycol vegetable ░░░░░░░░ polyethylene glycol that is ░░░░░░░░ in nicotine vapes have ░░░░░░░░ very different effect This ░░░░░░░░ is regulated the FDA ░░░░░░░░ nicotine products They know ░░░░░░░░ is in them We ░░░░░░░░ t know what is ░░░░░░░░ these markets So now ░░░░░░░░ idea here is to ░░░░░░░░ the black market which ░░░░░░░░ making people sick by ░░░░░░░░ safe products off the ░░░░░░░░ That seems to be ░░░░░░░░ boneheaded RUHLE Dr Wigand ░░░░░░░░ is your response Do ░░░░░░░░ believe the government is ░░░░░░░░ appropriately I mean everyone ░░░░░░░░ knows how dangerous cigarettes ░░░░░░░░ and the government has ░░░░░░░░ banned those WIGAND I ░░░░░░░░ t agree with what ░░░░░░░░ said There is a ░░░░░░░░ tenet called precautionary principle ░░░░░░░░ is sort of you ░░░░░░░░ a stitch in time ░░░░░░░░ nine or the harm ░░░░░░░░ of the Hippocratic oath ░░░░░░░░ we don t know ░░░░░░░░ what is happening is ░░░░░░░░ e cigarettes Juul Njoy ░░░░░░░░ others have an unlawful ░░░░░░░░ on the marketplace Unlawful ░░░░░░░░ means they have not ░░░░░░░░ with Food and Drug ░░░░░░░░ rules and regulation on ░░░░░░░░ products Now what is ░░░░░░░░ on additionally is the ░░░░░░░░ or the devices of ░░░░░░░░ are being also used ░░░░░░░░ as you said Stephanie ░░░░░░░░ That means they re ░░░░░░░░ other things into the ░░░░░░░░ With Juul I have ░░░░░░░░ for them to make ░░░░░░░░ system closed Once you ░░░░░░░░ the pod you can ░░░░░░░░ reuse it If you ░░░░░░░░ on I guess it ░░░░░░░░ YouTube you can learn ░░░░░░░░ to open the pod ░░░░░░░░ put whatever else you ░░░░░░░░ in the pod So ░░░░░░░░ is an issue today ░░░░░░░░ believe of two things ░░░░░░░░ is you have what ░░░░░░░░ would call a malfeasance ░░░░░░░░ a fraud The fraud ░░░░░░░░ on the hands of ░░░░░░░░ and e cigarettes for ░░░░░░░░ the law and failure ░░░░░░░░ following the law There ░░░░░░░░ some malfeasance or inability ░░░░░░░░ act properly by the ░░░░░░░░ and that has been ░░░░░░░░ by a federal judge ░░░░░░░░ Hey guys you can ░░░░░░░░ take forever you got ░░░░░░░░ get it done in ░░░░░░░░ next ten months RUHLE ░░░░░░░░ we also know that ░░░░░░░░ statistics have shown that ░░░░░░░░ school students the number ░░░░░░░░ high school students that ░░░░░░░░ vaping has gone up ░░░░░░░░ in the past couple ░░░░░░░░ years So it s ░░░░░░░░ thing to say we ░░░░░░░░ t want government intervention ░░░░░░░░ this category and that ░░░░░░░░ when it comes to ░░░░░░░░ kids can we say ░░░░░░░░ maybe let s get ░░░░░░░░ cautious ROTHMAN As a ░░░░░░░░ replacement therapy which is ░░░░░░░░ this is just like ░░░░░░░░ other nicotine replacement therapy ░░░░░░░░ has been spectacularly successful ░░░░░░░░ reducing smoking rates The ░░░░░░░░ s own study demonstrated ░░░░░░░░ while there had been ░░░░░░░░ 9 increase in the ░░░░░░░░ of young people who ░░░░░░░░ not be accessing this ░░░░░░░░ the way this is ░░░░░░░░ controlled product but you ░░░░░░░░ get it just like ░░░░░░░░ can get a lottery ░░░░░░░░ or alcohol if you ░░░░░░░░ underaged Despite that 9 ░░░░░░░░ there was only a ░░░░░░░░ increase in a number ░░░░░░░░ users of cigarette products ░░░░░░░░ statistically insignificant number something ░░░░░░░░ could be anomalous So ░░░░░░░░ can t draw a ░░░░░░░░ on that but it ░░░░░░░░ nevertheless being used as ░░░░░░░░ conclusion to take flavored ░░░░░░░░ off the market not ░░░░░░░░ flavored products WIGAND I ░░░░░░░░ I think ROTHMAN Allow ░░░░░░░░ to finish doctor So ░░░░░░░░ solution to this problem ░░░░░░░░ of making of supposedly ░░░░░░░░ teens more acclimated to ░░░░░░░░ is to condition them ░░░░░░░░ associate their nicotine addiction ░░░░░░░░ tobacco That seems again ░░░░░░░░ be a very silly ░░░░░░░░ to go about reducing ░░░░░░░░ RUHLE Doctor WIGAND Well ░░░░░░░░ don t know what ░░░░░░░░ true effects or the ░░░░░░░░ effects of just Juul ░░░░░░░░ and the nicotine delivery ░░░░░░░░ that have not been ░░░░░░░░ I will repeat again ░░░░░░░░ those that don t ░░░░░░░░ that have not been ░░░░░░░░ scientifically reviewed as safe ░░░░░░░░ cessation Let s make ░░░░░░░░ clear So currently all ░░░░░░░░ that are being marketed ░░░░░░░░ with Juul whether it ░░░░░░░░ flavored or unflavored are ░░░░░░░░ they re in violation ░░░░░░░░ the law food drug ░░░░░░░░ cosmetic law Now in ░░░░░░░░ of the bootlegging that ░░░░░░░░ a different issue The ░░░░░░░░ also I have is ░░░░░░░░ have six people who ░░░░░░░░ died and probably more ░░░░░░░░ and we have over ░░░░░░░░ young people in the ░░░░░░░░ with a serious lung ░░░░░░░░ which prevents them from ░░░░░░░░ breathing because their lungs ░░░░░░░░ been coated with whatever ░░░░░░░░ they re using to ░░░░░░░░ the THC or whatever ░░░░░░░░ they re using ROTHMAN ░░░░░░░░ I m sorry it ░░░░░░░░ entirely dishonest for you ░░░░░░░░ say in one sentence ░░░░░░░░ we cannot distinguish between ░░░░░░░░ cigarettes and then say ░░░░░░░░ the second sentence that ░░░░░░░░ are dying and therefore ░░░░░░░░ s necessary for us ░░░░░░░░ act These are two ░░░░░░░░ issues as you yourself ░░░░░░░░ that every story and ░░░░░░░░ study even the former ░░░░░░░░ Director says this is ░░░░░░░░ result of illegal doctored ░░░░░░░░ not FDA regulated vape ░░░░░░░░ and e liquid maufacturers ░░░░░░░░ We don t know ░░░░░░░░ ROTHMAN You don t ░░░░░░░░ that WIGAND We don ░░░░░░░░ know We don t ░░░░░░░░ it ROTHMAN Okay so ░░░░░░░░ your suggestion is that ░░░░░░░░ should take one of ░░░░░░░░ most effective anti smoking ░░░░░░░░ products off of the ░░░░░░░░ because you re uncomfortable ░░░░░░░░ it WIGAND Where do ░░░░░░░░ get these words from ░░░░░░░░ do you get these ░░░░░░░░ from It is not ░░░░░░░░ most highly effective product ░░░░░░░░ show me the data ░░░░░░░░ it is better than ░░░░░░░░ or NRT or Wellbutrin ░░░░░░░░ help or any of ░░░░░░░░ therapies that are effective ░░░░░░░░ cessation therapy on nicotine ░░░░░░░░ is not highly effective ░░░░░░░░ has not been proven ░░░░░░░░ be highly effective In ░░░░░░░░ it has proven nothing ░░░░░░░░ being addictive ROTHMAN So ░░░░░░░░ s not been proven ░░░░░░░░ therefore we should take ░░░░░░░░ to take it off ░░░░░░░░ market to prove it ░░░░░░░░ is what your position ░░░░░░░░ t hat s what ░░░░░░░░ Trump s position is ░░░░░░░░ s what Gretchen Whitmer ░░░░░░░░ position is To me ░░░░░░░░ is ignorant of the ░░░░░░░░ and suggests to me ░░░░░░░░ the impulse here is ░░░░░░░░ to cease smoking but ░░░░░░░░ get a product you ░░░░░░░░ t like off the ░░░░░░░░ RUHLE Doctor last word ░░░░░░░░ you WIGAND I m ░░░░░░░░ ignorant first of all ░░░░░░░░ second of all I ░░░░░░░░ we have the precautionary ░░░░░░░░ If we don t ░░░░░░░░ what is happening and ░░░░░░░░ haven t validated it ░░░░░░░░ we need to do ░░░░░░░░ to prevent the illnesses ░░░░░░░░ deaths and the use ░░░░░░░░ the product that is ░░░░░░░░ illegal It needs to ░░░░░░░░ validated and certified It ░░░░░░░░ not And it s ░░░░░░░░ most highly sensitive product ░░░░░░░░ have to date RUHLE ░░░░░░░░ right Gentlemen thank you ░░░░░░░░ much for sharing your ░░░░░░░░ WIGAND Have a good ░░░░░░░░ RUHLE I do want ░░░░░░░░ add that Juul has ░░░░░░░░ out a statement saying ░░░░░░░░ strongly agree with the ░░░░░░░░ for aggressive category wide ░░░░░░░░ on flavored products and ░░░░░░░░ said they will fully ░░░░░░░░ with the final FDA ░░░░░░░░ when effective.”