RUSH TRANSCRIPT Rudy Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ been Talking and talking ░░░░░░░░ talking And talking for ░░░░░░░░ last few Days Making ░░░░░░░░ one day that Contradict ░░░░░░░░ he said the day ░░░░░░░░ On Sunday he told ░░░░░░░░ that President Trump was ░░░░░░░░ in Conversations about the ░░░░░░░░ Tower Moscow project through ░░░░░░░░ and 2016 Later that ░░░░░░░░ when speaking to The ░░░░░░░░ York Times he quoted ░░░░░░░░ Trump as saying the ░░░░░░░░ were going on from ░░░░░░░░ day I announced to ░░░░░░░░ day I Won The ░░░░░░░░ morning Giuliani Released a ░░░░░░░░ saying that All his ░░░░░░░░ were Hypothetical and not ░░░░░░░░ on Conversations he had ░░░░░░░░ the President Which brings ░░░░░░░░ to last night s ░░░░░░░░ in The New Yorker ░░░░░░░░ he said that even ░░░░░░░░ Trump Had been having ░░░░░░░░ Trump Tower Moscow conversations ░░░░░░░░ Would not be criminal ░░░░░░░░ s a lot there ░░░░░░░░ re going to discuss ░░░░░░░░ Juliette kayem is here ░░░░░░░░ Harry Litman We ll ░░░░░░░░ some light on what ░░░░░░░░ Going on if that ░░░░░░░░ possible Juliette Rudy Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ been All over the ░░░░░░░░ the last two Days ░░░░░░░░ he just winging it ░░░░░░░░ part of A larger ░░░░░░░░ I know I ask ░░░░░░░░ the same Question in ░░░░░░░░ ways all The time ░░░░░░░░ what do you think ░░░░░░░░ think just taking the ░░░░░░░░ of Giuliani it s ░░░░░░░░ Worth remembering because a ░░░░░░░░ Of people watching may ░░░░░░░░ Younger what a strange ░░░░░░░░ This is for those ░░░░░░░░ us who Were in ░░░░░░░░ world of 9 11 ░░░░░░░░ Remember the role he ░░░░░░░░ for The city and ░░░░░░░░ the Nation This is ░░░░░░░░ very different person I ░░░░░░░░ fact taught Giuliani for ░░░░░░░░ crisis management class I ░░░░░░░░ stuck this year I ░░░░░░░░ t know how to ░░░░░░░░ it Because he s ░░░░░░░░ different now Who is ░░░░░░░░ Giuliani I think he ░░░░░░░░ pretty wise The reason ░░░░░░░░ is he s often ░░░░░░░░ He discloses things too ░░░░░░░░ Discloses them too casually ░░░░░░░░ CNN If you look ░░░░░░░░ on both the Stormy ░░░░░░░░ case and Certainly the ░░░░░░░░ Investigation he tends to ░░░░░░░░ Accurate So I take ░░░░░░░░ at his word I ░░░░░░░░ reminded just and I ░░░░░░░░ Reminded what Trump s ░░░░░░░░ was Coming into this ░░░░░░░░ 2019 I Often think ░░░░░░░░ it remember He said ░░░░░░░░ calm down Everyone and ░░░░░░░░ the ride I think ░░░░░░░░ s what Giuliani is ░░░░░░░░ trying to get us ░░░░░░░░ do Like everything is ░░░░░░░░ we Broke every law ░░░░░░░░ calm down and enjoy ░░░░░░░░ Ride And I think ░░░░░░░░ s their motto For ░░░░░░░░ Yeah Whenever someone tells ░░░░░░░░ that You get in ░░░░░░░░ car you re like ░░░░░░░░ what What the Hell ░░░░░░░░ that mean Right Okay ░░░░░░░░ Politico right Reporting that ░░░░░░░░ was Apoplectic after Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ Weekend interviews where the ░░░░░░░░ House aide told him ░░░░░░░░ Handling Rudy s you ░░░░░░░░ Fill in the words ░░░░░░░░ UPS takes More than ░░░░░░░░ man If the president ░░░░░░░░ so unhappy Why is ░░░░░░░░ still talking Doesn t ░░░░░░░░ serve an important Purpose ░░░░░░░░ Trump right Right Well ░░░░░░░░ know I actually have ░░░░░░░░ lot of trouble seeing ░░░░░░░░ Method to him I ░░░░░░░░ he does basically wing ░░░░░░░░ It s terrible for ░░░░░░░░ You know as a ░░░░░░░░ attorney I think Emmet ░░░░░░░░ a real Lawyer on ░░░░░░░░ case must Himself be ░░░░░░░░ because Giuliani is a ░░░░░░░░ not just Liar but ░░░░░░░░ waves what Otherwise would ░░░░░░░░ confidential Information and he ░░░░░░░░ Makes admissions that will ░░░░░░░░ Attributed to Trump But ░░░░░░░░ worse he is for ░░░░░░░░ Spokesperson on the most ░░░░░░░░ public issue of the ░░░░░░░░ he and Sarah Sanders ░░░░░░░░ So the American people ░░░░░░░░ Digesting a version that ░░░░░░░░ I see Juliette s ░░░░░░░░ he Eventually might come ░░░░░░░░ to The accurate rendition ░░░░░░░░ it Certainly doesn t ░░░░░░░░ to be a Concern ░░░░░░░░ there s on the ░░░░░░░░ a genuine indifference I ░░░░░░░░ to actually telling the ░░░░░░░░ to the American people ░░░░░░░░ I think he s ░░░░░░░░ toxic and Just more ░░░░░░░░ buffoon than not But ░░░░░░░░ s a sober situation ░░░░░░░░ In all Okay Renato ░░░░░░░░ s put up the ░░░░░░░░ Politico quote Again Rudy ░░░░░░░░ says I do Have ░░░░░░░░ mastery of the facts ░░░░░░░░ he goes on to ░░░░░░░░ That s Why I ░░░░░░░░ spin them honestly Argue ░░░░░░░░ several different Ways If ░░░░░░░░ had full command of ░░░░░░░░ Facts why so many ░░░░░░░░ and Why so many ░░░░░░░░ Don I don t ░░░░░░░░ he is I ve ░░░░░░░░ on the set with ░░░░░░░░ Rudy Giuliani when he ░░░░░░░░ on CNN Before I ░░░░░░░░ the impression he was ░░░░░░░░ in Folks at home ░░░░░░░░ to realize I m ░░░░░░░░ practicing lawyer at a ░░░░░░░░ Firm and when lawyers ░░░░░░░░ my Firm go and ░░░░░░░░ themselves For an argument ░░░░░░░░ court or Prepare themselves ░░░░░░░░ speak to The media ░░░░░░░░ spend hours Preparing They ░░░░░░░░ have these outlines and ░░░░░░░░ and documents and binders ░░░░░░░░ tabs in them I ░░░░░░░░ Rudy Giuliani prepares Less ░░░░░░░░ these than a lot ░░░░░░░░ my Associates prepare to ░░░░░░░░ a Routine potion He ░░░░░░░░ is making some of ░░░░░░░░ up as he goes ░░░░░░░░ That mistake where you ░░░░░░░░ earlier where he Literally ░░░░░░░░ a Conversation that he ░░░░░░░░ with Trump he said ░░░░░░░░ told me You know ░░░░░░░░ he was talking About ░░░░░░░░ Tower in Moscow That ░░░░░░░░ a classic waver of ░░░░░░░░ Attorney client privilege There ░░░░░░░░ no good way No ░░░░░░░░ was hypothetical That was ░░░░░░░░ remember He came back ░░░░░░░░ said it later A ░░░░░░░░ is hypothetical Yeah he ░░░░░░░░ that is Just it ░░░░░░░░ hard to say that ░░░░░░░░ a straight face don ░░░░░░░░ At times when he ░░░░░░░░ trying To leak things ░░░░░░░░ went on Hannity and ░░░░░░░░ that Trump had Reimbursed ░░░░░░░░ for the stormy Daniels ░░░░░░░░ sure but a Lot ░░░░░░░░ times he s just ░░░░░░░░ Out of his butt ░░░░░░░░ I think Really we ░░░░░░░░ stop trying to Pay ░░░░░░░░ much attention to it ░░░░░░░░ it s just it ░░░░░░░░ silly I was like ░░░░░░░░ did he just Say ░░░░░░░░ Go on Juliette I ░░░░░░░░ distinguished lawyers On the ░░░░░░░░ I just disagree I ░░░░░░░░ Trump has not fired ░░░░░░░░ Trump knows the damage ░░░░░░░░ quote unquote That Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ doing One has to ░░░░░░░░ Trump wants This Why ░░░░░░░░ he want this Either ░░░░░░░░ the truth is Going ░░░░░░░░ come out anyway just ░░░░░░░░ him prepare us grease ░░░░░░░░ Runway do everything that ░░░░░░░░ is doing and the ░░░░░░░░ Is when the stuff ░░░░░░░░ going to Hit the ░░░░░░░░ so to speak Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ have been with Trump ░░░░░░░░ views Giuliani has an ░░░░░░░░ statesman someone with Ties ░░░░░░░░ the FBI Someone with ░░░░░░░░ to the U S ░░░░░░░░ s office in New ░░░░░░░░ Which is a relevant ░░░░░░░░ And he s holding ░░░░░░░░ close I don t ░░░░░░░░ Trump I think Trump ░░░░░░░░ what you both are ░░░░░░░░ and he s choosing ░░░░░░░░ Keep Giuliani So you ░░░░░░░░ to ask yourself why ░░░░░░░░ is the strategy It ░░░░░░░░ not mistakes This is ░░░░░░░░ strategy Yeah The media ░░░░░░░░ let s throw This ░░░░░░░░ see if this works ░░░░░░░░ about this what about ░░░░░░░░ And in the meantime ░░░░░░░░ the Hand behind the ░░░░░░░░ So listen Harris let ░░░░░░░░ talk About another interview ░░░░░░░░ one is in The ░░░░░░░░ Yorker Yesterday Giuliani said ░░░░░░░░ if Trump had A ░░░░░░░░ in Moscow there would ░░░░░░░░ nothing wrong with it ░░░░░░░░ that how you see ░░░░░░░░ Right I think next ░░░░░░░░ ll learn oh The ░░░░░░░░ Tower was built and ░░░░░░░░ s living in the ░░░░░░░░ The real risk here ░░░░░░░░ you know He is ░░░░░░░░ to the fact in ░░░░░░░░ Of his face that ░░░░░░░░ course When a candidate ░░░░░░░░ out there Advocating for ░░░░░░░░ weakening of NATO a ░░░░░░░░ if not Evisceration of ░░░░░░░░ sanctions And at the ░░░░░░░░ time he stands To ░░░░░░░░ 300 million or more ░░░░░░░░ the largest tower in ░░░░░░░░ and the crown jewel ░░░░░░░░ His empire there s ░░░░░░░░ obvious Not just conflict ░░░░░░░░ a huge Problem that ░░░░░░░░ electorate Really ought to ░░░░░░░░ about And that s ░░░░░░░░ you know Leaving aside ░░░░░░░░ crimes that s The ░░░░░░░░ of sin politically That ░░░░░░░░ here is people Were ░░░░░░░░ really important Information that ░░░░░░░░ have gone Directly to ░░░░░░░░ qualifications For office So ░░░░░░░░ Juliette Renato Says he ░░░░░░░░ t think he Prepares ░░░░░░░░ much do you think ░░░░░░░░ That Giuliani and the ░░░░░░░░ Even speak That s ░░░░░░░░ to me but I ░░░░░░░░ I think Giuliani said ░░░░░░░░ Has had conversations with ░░░░░░░░ Or maybe they talk ░░░░░░░░ Proxies but I do ░░░░░░░░ that Trump hasn t ░░░░░░░░ him yet And I ░░░░░░░░ that is relevant at ░░░░░░░░ stage Giuliani has gotten ░░░░░░░░ and Lots of you ░░░░░░░░ opportunities To be fired ░░░░░░░░ this stage and I ░░░░░░░░ you know and so ░░░░░░░░ just Have come to ░░░░░░░░ that is the That ░░░░░░░░ is not Giuliani Talking ░░░░░░░░ the cuff I mean ░░░░░░░░ s not he s ░░░░░░░░ Know he s unprepared ░░░░░░░░ some Ways because he ░░░░░░░░ saying too Much but ░░░░░░░░ do think this is ░░░░░░░░ Way of trying to ░░░░░░░░ us to Quote Donald ░░░░░░░░ enjoy the Ride Right ░░░░░░░░ is just nothing matters ░░░░░░░░ s the Trump Tower ░░░░░░░░ we Stopped talking about ░░░░░░░░ in January or June ░░░░░░░░ September Who cares Why ░░░░░░░░ you guys all so ░░░░░░░░ Why do you care ░░░░░░░░ all these Little things ░░░░░░░░ s I think look ░░░░░░░░ other Defense strategy does ░░░░░░░░ President have at this ░░░░░░░░ Except for to simply ░░░░░░░░ nothing It s kind ░░░░░░░░ like in the Movie ░░░░░░░░ someone takes a drug ░░░░░░░░ you re like I ░░░░░░░░ t know if I ░░░░░░░░ do this Just enjoy ░░░░░░░░ ride Ahh Just enjoy ░░░░░░░░ ride Renato you know ░░░░░░░░ Part of this New ░░░░░░░░ Interview Giuliani said he ░░░░░░░░ to the tapes that ░░░░░░░░ Buzzfeed s Reporting that ░░░░░░░░ was Evidence that the ░░░░░░░░ told Cohen to lie ░░░░░░░░ s what Rudy says ░░░░░░░░ says I have been ░░░░░░░░ all The tapes I ░░░░░░░░ been through all the ░░░░░░░░ I have been through ░░░░░░░░ the E mails and ░░░░░░░░ knew none Existed Then ░░░░░░░░ interviewer follows up Wait ░░░░░░░░ tapes What tapes have ░░░░░░░░ done Through Rudy says ░░░░░░░░ shouldn t have Said ░░░░░░░░ So there were no ░░░░░░░░ you Listened to though ░░░░░░░░ tapes Well I have ░░░░░░░░ to tapes But none ░░░░░░░░ them concern this So ░░░░░░░░ look at the text ░░░░░░░░ s still confusing there ░░░░░░░░ that an innocent slip ░░░░░░░░ the Tongue you think ░░░░░░░░ is it Possible there ░░░░░░░░ actually Tapes I think ░░░░░░░░ are tapes but They ░░░░░░░░ related do something Now ░░░░░░░░ heard one tape already ░░░░░░░░ think did Chris Cuomo ░░░░░░░░ he The one who ░░░░░░░░ that I think Right ░░░░░░░░ they were Talking Right ░░░░░░░░ there may be more ░░░░░░░░ the Hell knows Maybe ░░░░░░░░ was taping Trump While ░░░░░░░░ was president I wouldn ░░░░░░░░ put anything past Cohen ░░░░░░░░ would just say this ░░░░░░░░ an Example what I ░░░░░░░░ talking About I agree ░░░░░░░░ Juliette there s Some ░░░░░░░░ of distraction Sometimes Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ pairs Tries to prepare ░░░░░░░░ base for What s ░░░░░░░░ come That sort of ░░░░░░░░ We re down to ░░░░░░░░ did collude But it ░░░░░░░░ t conspiracy to hack ░░░░░░░░ whatever the latest line ░░░░░░░░ But I will just ░░░░░░░░ some of this Stuff ░░░░░░░░ such a bizarre screwup ░░░░░░░░ does a bad job ░░░░░░░░ it The reality is ░░░░░░░░ is you Know can ░░░░░░░░ find anybody really Competent ░░░░░░░░ spin his tale to ░░░░░░░░ media so we re ░░░░░░░░ with Rudy Giuliani I ░░░░░░░░ the only person with ░░░░░░░░ Worst lawyer than Trump ░░░░░░░░ this Point is Jerome ░░░░░░░░ is who Suing for ░░░░░░░░ trillion billion Dollars You ░░░░░░░░ a trillion Billion Yeah ░░░░░░░░ like that Right Didn ░░░░░░░░ he correct it today ░░░░░░░░ 4 trillion billion Now ░░░░░░░░ s down to 1 ░░░░░░░░ billion When that s ░░░░░░░░ correction you Have to ░░░░░░░░ you know you re ░░░░░░░░ Very big trouble with ░░░░░░░░ Lawsuit Harry I caught ░░░░░░░░ I caught that 1 ░░░░░░░░ Thank you I want ░░░░░░░░ sound a quick Agreement ░░░░░░░░ both Juliette and Renato ░░░░░░░░ a sense that strategy ░░░░░░░░ not it s certainly ░░░░░░░░ true And we ought ░░░░░░░░ really try our Best ░░░░░░░░ stop listening to this ░░░░░░░░ right Harry Thank you ░░░░░░░░ thank you Renato thank ░░░░░░░░ Juliette I appreciate your ░░░░░░░░ Good fight The president ░░░░░░░░ told over