RUSH TRANSCRIPT Cheryl He ░░░░░░░░ the Internet needs more ░░░░░░░░ and it should be ░░░░░░░░ the areas of harmful ░░░░░░░░ election integrity privacy and ░░░░░░░░ let s bring in ░░░░░░░░ R expert and author ░░░░░░░░ the history of the ░░░░░░░░ and there s the ░░░░░░░░ cover right there Blake ░░░░░░░░ Good morning Thank you ░░░░░░░░ having me Nice to ░░░░░░░░ here Cheryl This is ░░░░░░░░ slippery road for many ░░░░░░░░ regulation but it has ░░░░░░░░ be smart regulation Is ░░░░░░░░ too late in his ░░░░░░░░ over the weekend about ░░░░░░░░ the Internet and stopping ░░░░░░░░ spread of hateful content ░░░░░░░░ sure Like everything Mark ░░░░░░░░ has said and done ░░░░░░░░ the past few years ░░░░░░░░ s pretty shallow in ░░░░░░░░ response and self serving ░░░░░░░░ Facebook s interest and ░░░░░░░░ later to the game ░░░░░░░░ would you have expected ░░░░░░░░ someone who actually cared ░░░░░░░░ these things The first ░░░░░░░░ I thought of is ░░░░░░░░ you re calling for ░░░░░░░░ Internet regulation but you ░░░░░░░░ 12 million last year ░░░░░░░░ lobbying the U S ░░░░░░░░ mostly against anti regulation ░░░░░░░░ what s going on ░░░░░░░░ I think we can ░░░░░░░░ what s going on ░░░░░░░░ is we listed the ░░░░░░░░ areas of privacy data ░░░░░░░░ and harmful content but ░░░░░░░░ t talk about behavior ░░░░░░░░ or what they re ░░░░░░░░ algorithms Laure I m ░░░░░░░░ to take the flip ░░░░░░░░ the opposite side that ░░░░░░░░ feels like he doesn ░░░░░░░░ have the tools or ░░░░░░░░ capability of policing all ░░░░░░░░ stuff himself that he ░░░░░░░░ regulation because as we ░░░░░░░░ with New Zealand all ░░░░░░░░ those that money on ░░░░░░░░ intelligence and human moderators ░░░░░░░░ didn t cut it ░░░░░░░░ you re totally spot ░░░░░░░░ I kind of feel ░░░░░░░░ this is him in ░░░░░░░░ most self serving way ░░░░░░░░ the white flag The ░░░░░░░░ I call itself serving ░░░░░░░░ because this is something ░░░░░░░░ should be doing Typically ░░░░░░░░ want to be the ░░░░░░░░ square In an ideal ░░░░░░░░ they would compete against ░░░░░░░░ public squares and Facebook ░░░░░░░░ have their policies and ░░░░░░░░ companies would have their ░░░░░░░░ and we would choose ░░░░░░░░ they like best He ░░░░░░░░ going for interventions that ░░░░░░░░ create protocols that level ░░░░░░░░ playing field It will ░░░░░░░░ them more than other ░░░░░░░░ Cheryl I think some ░░░░░░░░ the motivation may be ░░░░░░░░ fact that he s ░░░░░░░░ multiple investigations in the ░░░░░░░░ States and abroad The ░░░░░░░░ could be a multibillion ░░░░░░░░ fine There s a ░░░░░░░░ side of this as ░░░░░░░░ Correct He s trying ░░░░░░░░ get ahead of frankly ░░░░░░░░ has been a government ░░░░░░░░ that has been nonstop ░░░░░░░░ Facebook since last year ░░░░░░░░ Cambridge analytical Absolutely To ░░░░░░░░ an over simplified analogy ░░░░░░░░ s like an arsonist ░░░░░░░░ he s lighting the ░░░░░░░░ saying is this bad ░░░░░░░░ I not light this ░░░░░░░░ or could you put ░░░░░░░░ in place so I ░░░░░░░░ how big of a ░░░░░░░░ I m allowed to ░░░░░░░░ All that said he ░░░░░░░░ not wrong I m ░░░░░░░░ myself a big regulation ░░░░░░░░ I m a big ░░░░░░░░ market guy but there ░░░░░░░░ to be some sort ░░░░░░░░ regulation or intervention to ░░░░░░░░ Facebook accountable Lauren Should ░░░░░░░░ go in the way ░░░░░░░░ Europe Essentially the rules ░░░░░░░░ Europe are you re ░░░░░░░░ charge of your own ░░░░░░░░ as the user the ░░░░░░░░ and the social media ░░░░░░░░ are held accountable I ░░░░░░░░ accountability is I m ░░░░░░░░ you use that word ░░░░░░░░ is spot on exactly ░░░░░░░░ the issue is The ░░░░░░░░ Zealand horrific attack that ░░░░░░░░ live streamed Facebook has ░░░░░░░░ about taking down 1 ░░░░░░░░ million uploads We can ░░░░░░░░ about why there s ░░░░░░░░ many people who want ░░░░░░░░ share it Whether it ░░░░░░░░ one upload or 1 ░░░░░░░░ uploads they are a ░░░░░░░░ company and if you ░░░░░░░░ horrific content on here ░░░░░░░░ would be consequences Facebook ░░░░░░░░ no consequences Cheryl They ░░░░░░░░ announced plans for new ░░░░░░░░ This is in the ░░░░░░░░ of what happened in ░░░░░░░░ Zealand and the live ░░░░░░░░ of the terrorist attack ░░░░░░░░ in the mosque and ░░░░░░░░ Sanburg did write a ░░░░░░░░ to new glee happened ░░░░░░░░ Zealand She said we ░░░░░░░░ taking three steps strengthening ░░░░░░░░ rules for using Facebook ░░░░░░░░ taking steps to address ░░░░░░░░ on our platforms and ░░░░░░░░ the New Zealand community ░░░░░░░░ that enough in your ░░░░░░░░ I mean if had ░░░░░░░░ actually executed on that ░░░░░░░░ would say it s ░░░░░░░░ It sounds like a ░░░░░░░░ of buzz words to ░░░░░░░░ Because I don t ░░░░░░░░ what they re actually ░░░░░░░░ to fund men a ░░░░░░░░ do differently How do ░░░░░░░░ actually stop someone from ░░░░░░░░ a video like that ░░░░░░░░ are they going to ░░░░░░░░ algorithms Are they going ░░░░░░░░ use humans Is there ░░░░░░░░ seven second delay What ░░░░░░░░ they going to do ░░░░░░░░ re good at using ░░░░░░░░ but I care more ░░░░░░░░ actions and accountability Lauren ░░░░░░░░ right Blake Harris Thanks ░░░░░░░░ Lauren You re not ░░░░░░░░ about