David Axelrod: Pelosi Embraced Reforms that Are Long Overdue

BERMAN I think it ░░░░░░░░ really interesting because at ░░░░░░░░ you know as we ░░░░░░░░ the end of our ░░░░░░░░ this morning I think ░░░░░░░░ s clear where we ░░░░░░░░ And to a certain ░░░░░░░░ it s different than ░░░░░░░░ we began The president ░░░░░░░░ in a different legal ░░░░░░░░ than he was yesterday ░░░░░░░░ Yes BERMAN Because AMI ░░░░░░░░ National Enquirer is cooperating ░░░░░░░░ corroborating Michael Cohen And ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors think that and ░░░░░░░░ think I m comfortable ░░░░░░░░ this prosecutors it seems ░░░░░░░░ that the president broke ░░░░░░░░ law here Whether or ░░░░░░░░ they ll prosecute him ░░░░░░░░ a completely different issue ░░░░░░░░ they think he broke ░░░░░░░░ broke the law They ░░░░░░░░ enough evidence indecipherable AXELROD ░░░░░░░░ let me just say ░░░░░░░░ you do not accuse ░░░░░░░░ president of the United ░░░░░░░░ of being at the ░░░░░░░░ of a conspiracy in ░░░░░░░░ court filing unless you ░░░░░░░░ pretty damn sure that ░░░░░░░░ was BERMAN Exactly And ░░░░░░░░ they have AMI backing ░░░░░░░░ up That s the ░░░░░░░░ side of it But ░░░░░░░░ I think we are ░░░░░░░░ no different place than ░░░░░░░░ were yesterday AXELROD Yes ░░░░░░░░ agree BERMAN We had ░░░░░░░░ Santorum on And I ░░░░░░░░ Rick is a good ░░░░░░░░ of where Republicans are ░░░░░░░░ And they haven t ░░░░░░░░ a bit They don ░░░░░░░░ see any reason in ░░░░░░░░ of this to stop ░░░░░░░░ the president in any ░░░░░░░░ AXELROD Right And I ░░░░░░░░ that s going to ░░░░░░░░ as long as he ░░░░░░░░ a grip on his ░░░░░░░░ And he has a ░░░░░░░░ firm grip on his ░░░░░░░░ We ve cited this ░░░░░░░░ times here that the ░░░░░░░░ shooting someone on 5th ░░░░░░░░ thing there s something ░░░░░░░░ that And there is ░░░░░░░░ sense that this you ░░░░░░░░ was his business and ░░░░░░░░ on Now Rick and ░░░░░░░░ were saying different things ░░░░░░░░ in 1999 but that ░░░░░░░░ another story HILL It ░░░░░░░░ a lifetime ago Tuesday ░░░░░░░░ a lifetime ago as ░░░░░░░░ pointed out earlier I ░░░░░░░░ want to get your ░░░░░░░░ too on Nancy Pelosi ░░░░░░░░ Yes HILL So we ░░░░░░░░ heard a little bit ░░░░░░░░ obviously what happened And ░░░░░░░░ was in the wake ░░░░░░░░ her meeting Tuesday in ░░░░░░░░ Oval Office But the ░░░░░░░░ that she s come ░░░░░░░░ which involves term limits ░░░░░░░░ look she has really ░░░░░░░░ this AXELROD Listen the ░░░░░░░░ process of watching her ░░░░░░░░ this thing together is ░░░░░░░░ she is going to ░░░░░░░░ speaker of the House ░░░░░░░░ is better within those ░░░░░░░░ walls than anybody else ░░░░░░░░ understands how to put ░░░░░░░░ votes together I saw ░░░░░░░░ do it when I ░░░░░░░░ in the White House ░░░░░░░░ things like the Affordable ░░░░░░░░ Act which was a ░░░░░░░░ really different puzzle And ░░░░░░░░ is methodical and she ░░░░░░░░ a real ear for ░░░░░░░░ for a deal and ░░░░░░░░ her members need to ░░░░░░░░ all of their different ░░░░░░░░ demands All of that ░░░░░░░░ on display here And ░░░░░░░░ you top it off ░░░░░░░░ that confrontation in the ░░░░░░░░ Office where she was ░░░░░░░░ strong And she looked ░░░░░░░░ the leader of a ░░░░░░░░ And there s nothing ░░░░░░░░ unifying a caucus more ░░░░░░░░ when the leader fights ░░░░░░░░ White House on behalf ░░░░░░░░ the caucus So for ░░░░░░░░ those reasons we saw ░░░░░░░░ of her strengths on ░░░░░░░░ over these last few ░░░░░░░░ BERMAN I m not ░░░░░░░░ the term limits concession ░░░░░░░░ even the biggest one ░░░░░░░░ made She made some ░░░░░░░░ AXELROD Right BERMAN Rules ░░░░░░░░ to some moderates who ░░░░░░░░ things to be able ░░░░░░░░ go to the floor ░░░░░░░░ gave away some chairmanships ░░░░░░░░ subcommittee things AXELROD Well ░░░░░░░░ created more upward mobility ░░░░░░░░ I think was a ░░░░░░░░ issue You have three ░░░░░░░░ there who are in ░░░░░░░░ upper 70s and a ░░░░░░░░ that there was no ░░░░░░░░ to move for these ░░░░░░░░ members So Hakeem Jeffries ░░░░░░░░ up and others And ░░░░░░░░ know what the reforms ░░░░░░░░ she embraced are reforms ░░░░░░░░ are long overdue BERMAN ░░░░░░░░ I ask there is ░░░░░░░░ to be pressure though ░░░░░░░░ some in the party ░░░░░░░░ take action investigatory action ░░░░░░░░ the president to really ░░░░░░░░ that Will she be ░░░░░░░░ to resist that AXELROD ░░░░░░░░ I think that that ░░░░░░░░ one of the advantages ░░░░░░░░ having her there She ░░░░░░░░ the adult in the ░░░░░░░░ And she knows how ░░░░░░░░ speak to her caucus ░░░░░░░░ these issues And I ░░░░░░░░ she will she will ░░░░░░░░ thoughtful about how to ░░░░░░░░ this I think it ░░░░░░░░ be a terrible mistake ░░░░░░░░ get out in front ░░░░░░░░ Mueller to make this ░░░░░░░░ Trump all the time ░░░░░░░░ s not why a ░░░░░░░░ of these new members ░░░░░░░░ elected People want to ░░░░░░░░ them working on substantive ░░░░░░░░ They want them to ░░░░░░░░ the oversight but they ░░░░░░░░ t want that to ░░░░░░░░ everything else And so ░░░░░░░░ understands that I think ░░░░░░░░ s a very important ░░░░░░░░ BERMAN David Axelrod HILL ░░░░░░░░ always good to see ░░░░░░░░ Thank you AXELROD Good ░░░░░░░░ be here BERMAN In ░░░░░░░░ this time AXELROD I ░░░░░░░░ so glad to be ░░░░░░░░ HILL Here now is ░░░░░░░░ to watch today.”