George Takei Likens Trump Immigration Policy to Internment Camps: ’This Is a ‘New Low’ in Our History

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misdemeanor prosecution ░░░░░░░░ fine and time served ░░░░░░░░ they re immediately getting ░░░░░░░░ Another thing that we ░░░░░░░░ to keep in mind ░░░░░░░░ that when you look ░░░░░░░░ studies crime among undocumented ░░░░░░░░ is much less than ░░░░░░░░ of native born citizens ░░░░░░░░ those are the facts ░░░░░░░░ I believe as journalists ░░░░░░░░ need to keep pressing ░░░░░░░░ those facts during the ░░░░░░░░ of this debate And ░░░░░░░░ course there was a ░░░░░░░░ of misleading information coming ░░░░░░░░ as the week went ░░░░░░░░ especially from the president ░░░░░░░░ was saying at first ░░░░░░░░ is the Democrats fault ░░░░░░░░ Democrats need to fix ░░░░░░░░ He kind of backed ░░░░░░░░ from that starting on ░░░░░░░░ when he reversed his ░░░░░░░░ policy But Sarah kind ░░░░░░░░ the lying from the ░░░░░░░░ how did that affect ░░░░░░░░ news coverage It keeps ░░░░░░░░ chasing their own tail ░░░░░░░░ are fact checking it ░░░░░░░░ not a policy it ░░░░░░░░ a policy Every time ░░░░░░░░ Trump says something the ░░░░░░░░ we really can t ░░░░░░░░ it He is the ░░░░░░░░ of the United States ░░░░░░░░ if it s a ░░░░░░░░ statement people need to ░░░░░░░░ check it So people ░░░░░░░░ constantly on their heels ░░░░░░░░ on the defensive and ░░░░░░░░ think that is his ░░░░░░░░ policy keep people on ░░░░░░░░ defensive You know the ░░░░░░░░ that we saw from ░░░░░░░░ border most of them ░░░░░░░░ government handout photos And ░░░░░░░░ wonder norm what your ░░░░░░░░ on this is You ░░░░░░░░ brand new at the ░░░░░░░░ A Times but you ░░░░░░░░ been in the business ░░░░░░░░ a long time Should ░░░░░░░░ be publishing these government ░░░░░░░░ photos Now of course ░░░░░░░░ government says we can ░░░░░░░░ let your cameras inside ░░░░░░░░ centers because these are ░░░░░░░░ and we can t ░░░░░░░░ you take pictures of ░░░░░░░░ faces So there are ░░░░░░░░ privacy concerns But at ░░░░░░░░ same time I don ░░░░░░░░ think we re getting ░░░░░░░░ full picture of what ░░░░░░░░ going on Well we ░░░░░░░░ not 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that been a ░░░░░░░░ predating the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ s always been difficult ░░░░░░░░ haven t seen it ░░░░░░░░ it is right now ░░░░░░░░ access this week has ░░░░░░░░ incredibly frustrating It wasn ░░░░░░░░ until late last night ░░░░░░░░ we finally got facts ░░░░░░░░ a plan to reunify ░░░░░░░░ families and children It ░░░░░░░░ t until late last ░░░░░░░░ that we learned how ░░░░░░░░ children had actually been ░░░░░░░░ We don t know ░░░░░░░░ many are going to ░░░░░░░░ shelters We re trying ░░░░░░░░ track that down Even ░░░░░░░░ the ground our reporters ░░░░░░░░ on the bridge between ░░░░░░░░ is Mexico and El ░░░░░░░░ They were talking an ░░░░░░░░ was talking to some ░░░░░░░░ crossers about asylum and ░░░░░░░░ literally told our folks ░░░░░░░░ can t report what ░░░░░░░░ m saying on a ░░░░░░░░ bridge you know in ░░░░░░░░ public space Wow So ░░░░░░░░ s not just what ░░░░░░░░ re getting from the ░░░░░░░░ it s what we ░░░░░░░░ getting on the ground ░░░░░░░░ well Right It is 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