RUSH TRANSCRIPT push the ░░░░░░░░ idea that the investigation ░░░░░░░░ Russia probe and illegitimate ░░░░░░░░ you sir Let s ░░░░░░░░ to our panel former ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor Renato Mariotti and ░░░░░░░░ White House attorney Jim ░░░░░░░░ Giuliani arguing that the ░░░░░░░░ could shoot someone and ░░░░░░░░ be indicted What do ░░░░░░░░ think White House lawyers ░░░░░░░░ thinking right now Well ░░░░░░░░ s the deal The ░░░░░░░░ Department has a memo ░░░░░░░░ prohibits the president from ░░░░░░░░ indicted while in office ░░░░░░░░ that is true as ░░░░░░░░ relates to federal crimes ░░░░░░░░ does not necessarily relate ░░░░░░░░ state crimes So the ░░░░░░░░ in the office thing ░░░░░░░░ m not too sure ░░░░░░░░ on that But the ░░░░░░░░ of whether the president ░░░░░░░░ be indicted that s ░░░░░░░░ that s been addressed ░░░░░░░░ Mueller s team purportedly ░░░░░░░░ they have said they ░░░░░░░░ no intention of bringing ░░░░░░░░ action against the president ░░░░░░░░ least that s what ░░░░░░░░ reporting says And that ░░░░░░░░ consistent with a long ░░░░░░░░ Justice Department memo Renato ░░░░░░░░ hear he can t ░░░░░░░░ indicted even if he ░░░░░░░░ somebody in the Oval ░░░░░░░░ he can t be ░░░░░░░░ he can t obstruct ░░░░░░░░ What s your reaction ░░░░░░░░ Giuliani s comments I ░░░░░░░░ those legal arguments are ░░░░░░░░ and they re ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ be blunt with you ░░░░░░░░ word that a lot ░░░░░░░░ legal analysts are saying ░░░░░░░░ novel I think it ░░░░░░░░ important for viewers to ░░░░░░░░ the reason these positions ░░░░░░░░ never been taken before ░░░░░░░░ they are very much ░░░░░░░░ the mainstream These are ░░░░░░░░ views Essentially the view ░░░░░░░░ that the president can ░░░░░░░░ or stop an investigation ░░░░░░░░ any reason So he ░░░░░░░░ investigate his enemies He ░░░░░░░░ stop investigations of his ░░░░░░░░ He can pardon people ░░░░░░░░ any reason even in ░░░░░░░░ for a bribe or ░░░░░░░░ corrupt purpose I don ░░░░░░░░ really believe the courts ░░░░░░░░ going to side with ░░░░░░░░ arguments And I think ░░░░░░░░ making the arguments is ░░░░░░░░ Now there s no ░░░░░░░░ opinion that has ruled ░░░░░░░░ these issues yet and ░░░░░░░░ s because no one ░░░░░░░░ made the argument before ░░░░░░░░ it is very difficult ░░░░░░░░ me to believe that ░░░░░░░░ judge would sign off ░░░░░░░░ these positions And I ░░░░░░░░ viewers with their common ░░░░░░░░ at home can understand ░░░░░░░░ very easily Jim are ░░░░░░░░ arguments dangerous It is ░░░░░░░░ at the same time ░░░░░░░░ isn t in that ░░░░░░░░ it relates to impeachment ░░░░░░░░ high crimes and misdemeanors ░░░░░░░░ is the remedy that ░░░░░░░░ taken against the president ░░░░░░░░ he s in office ░░░░░░░░ Giuliani s right after ░░░░░░░░ president heads been impeached ░░░░░░░░ is out of office ░░░░░░░░ that were to happen ░░░░░░░░ any criminal action can ░░░░░░░░ taken against him as ░░░░░░░░ relates to what happened ░░░░░░░░ he was in office ░░░░░░░░ s get back to ░░░░░░░░ pardon power Whether the ░░░░░░░░ can pardon himself the ░░░░░░░░ is very clear that ░░░░░░░░ president has broad pardon ░░░░░░░░ In fact they debated ░░░░░░░░ or not the Senate ░░░░░░░░ have a say in ░░░░░░░░ when they were drafting ░░░░░░░░ provisions and said no ░░░░░░░░ shouldn t have a ░░░░░░░░ in this Although So ░░░░░░░░ the extent the president ░░░░░░░░ pardon powers it s ░░░░░░░░ novel legal argument as ░░░░░░░░ whether he can claim ░░░░░░░░ Michael Zeldin was on ░░░░░░░░ and pointed to a ░░░░░░░░ document from 1974 in ░░░░░░░░ basically it was put ░░░░░░░░ there this idea of ░░░░░░░░ president pardoning himself and ░░░░░░░░ was disputed by the ░░░░░░░░ I d have to ░░░░░░░░ him to tell me ░░░░░░░░ exact article that it ░░░░░░░░ that he was referencing ░░░░░░░░ Jim you mentioned impeachment ░░░░░░░░ But the court hasn ░░░░░░░░ ruled on that Let ░░░░░░░░ ask you about the ░░░░░░░░ idea because Giuliani said ░░░░░░░░ president would be impeached ░░░░░░░░ he were to pardon ░░░░░░░░ And others agreed Let ░░░░░░░░ listen The president of ░░░░░░░░ United States pardoning himself ░░░░░░░░ just be unthinkable and ░░░░░░░░ would lead to probably ░░░░░░░░ immediate impeachment There s ░░░░░░░░ way that will happen ░░░░░░░░ then it becomes a ░░░░░░░░ problem If the president ░░░░░░░░ to pardon himself he ░░░░░░░░ get impeached If the ░░░░░░░░ decided to pardon himself ░░░░░░░░ think that s almost ░░░░░░░░ executing impeachment Everyone seems ░░░░░░░░ agree Jim If that ░░░░░░░░ the case why even ░░░░░░░░ this argument involving the ░░░░░░░░ and murder So I ░░░░░░░░ I don t get ░░░░░░░░ murderer argument Set that ░░░░░░░░ for a second When ░░░░░░░░ talk about impeachment when ░░░░░░░░ talk about the president ░░░░░░░░ hisality to hire and ░░░░░░░░ folks who are in ░░░░░░░░ executive bran of government ░░░░░░░░ are article 2 appointees ░░░░░░░░ the president all of ░░░░░░░░ feeds into an executive ░░░░░░░░ argument I think what ░░░░░░░░ re trying to drive ░░░░░░░░ is if there s ░░░░░░░░ executive power argument here ░░░░░░░░ that the president has ░░░░░░░░ argument that the subpoena ░░░░░░░░ should be limited or ░░░░░░░░ ability to interview him ░░░░░░░░ be limited in scope ░░░░░░░░ I think they re ░░░░░░░░ trying to make a ░░░░░░░░ brush argument relative to ░░░░░░░░ powers and executive powers ░░░░░░░░ the Constitution to negotiate ░░░░░░░░ issues with Mueller s ░░░░░░░░ I want to switch ░░░░░░░░ for just a moment ░░░░░░░░ of course but we ░░░░░░░░ about this letter that ░░░░░░░░ Trump s legal team ░░░░░░░░ to Mueller s special ░░░░░░░░ team in January In ░░░░░░░░ letter his lawyers admit ░░░░░░░░ did dictate his son ░░░░░░░░ misleading statement about the ░░░░░░░░ Tower meeting with the ░░░░░░░░ Trump s lawyers had ░░░░░░░░ said multiple times he ░░░░░░░░ not dictate the letter ░░░░░░░░ to what Giuliani said ░░░░░░░░ this today I mean ░░░░░░░░ is the reason you ░░░░░░░░ t let the president ░░░░░░░░ If you know our ░░░░░░░░ keeps changing or we ░░░░░░░░ not even asked a ░░░░░░░░ and somebody makes an ░░░░░░░░ In my case I ░░░░░░░░ an assumption then we ░░░░░░░░ and I got it ░░░░░░░░ out as soon as ░░░░░░░░ happened I think that ░░░░░░░░ what happened here Renato ░░░░░░░░ would you do if ░░░░░░░░ client had a poor ░░░░░░░░ I would not go ░░░░░░░░ television and make statements ░░░░░░░░ what that recollection was ░░░░░░░░ I find it interesting ░░░░░░░░ recollection here about past ░░░░░░░░ seems to get better ░░░░░░░░ time instead of worse ░░░░░░░░ s really interesting But ░░░░░░░░ will say regarding this ░░░░░░░░ recollection it seemed like ░░░░░░░░ in the president s ░░░░░░░░ had a very good ░░░░░░░░ of the fact that ░░░░░░░░ didn t dictate the ░░░░░░░░ even though that was ░░░░░░░░ event this dictation that ░░░░░░░░ last year while he ░░░░░░░░ at the White House ░░░░░░░░ there was a lot ░░░░░░░░ other people involved like ░░░░░░░░ Hicks et cetera And ░░░░░░░░ raises a lot of ░░░░░░░░ questions what did he ░░░░░░░░ about the Trump Tower ░░░░░░░░ why was he so ░░░░░░░░ about covering up what ░░░░░░░░ happened there So it ░░░░░░░░ very problematic and it ░░░░░░░░ a problem with how ░░░░░░░░ legal team is operating ░░░░░░░░ no regard for the ░░░░░░░░ and I also think ░░░░░░░░ lack of discipline on ░░░░░░░░ end Who s fault ░░░░░░░░ it when you talk ░░░░░░░░ no regard for the ░░░░░░░░ Do you think the ░░░░░░░░ was being less than ░░░░░░░░ with his attorneys about ░░░░░░░░ role in dictating that ░░░░░░░░ Look I think there ░░░░░░░░ a danger anytime you ░░░░░░░░ a lawyer talking about ░░░░░░░░ or facts associated with ░░░░░░░░ particular matter In the ░░░░░░░░ forum the way this ░░░░░░░░ playing out And it ░░░░░░░░ dangerous because you have ░░░░░░░░ issues and it s ░░░░░░░░ to open more questions ░░░░░░░░ I m not sure ░░░░░░░░ s a smart strategy ░░░░░░░░ it relates to the ░░░░░░░░ issues I think it ░░░░░░░░ a smart strategy to ░░░░░░░░ a discussion about executive ░░░░░░░░ Because that relates to ░░░░░░░░ or not the president ░░░░░░░░ going to sit for ░░░░░░░░ interview or not So ░░░░░░░░ are the chances that ░░░░░░░░ ends up testifying whether ░░░░░░░░ choice or force Renato ░░░░░░░░ we ve never had ░░░░░░░░ instance in which a ░░░░░░░░ has been subpoenaed and ░░░░░░░░ for an interview Bill ░░░░░░░░ was subpoenaed but ultimately ░░░░░░░░ subpoena was withdrawn when ░░░░░░░░ voluntarily agreed to an ░░░░░░░░ after being subpoenaed But ░░░░░░░░ do know that the ░░░░░░░░ Court upheld the subpoena ░░░░░░░░ documents for Richard Nixon ░░░░░░░░ also the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ in the case of ░░░░░░░░ Clinton that he was ░░░░░░░░ immune from a civil ░░░░░░░░ when he was in ░░░░░░░░ And the court famously ░░░░░░░░ there that the president ░░░░░░░░ not above the law ░░░░░░░░ suspect that in court ░░░░░░░░ he is subpoenaed the ░░░░░░░░ will lose and he ░░░░░░░░ ultimately have to sit ░░░░░░░░ an interview At that ░░░░░░░░ then he could take ░░░░░░░░ fifth just like any ░░░░░░░░ citizen Jim I think ░░░░░░░░ citizens are asking if ░░░░░░░░ president did nothing wrong ░░░░░░░░ he says shouldn t ░░░░░░░░ be easy for him ░░░░░░░░ sit down and just ░░░░░░░░ the truth Well I ░░░░░░░░ public opinion is going ░░░░░░░░ play a very large ░░░░░░░░ in this And has ░░░░░░░░ a large part in ░░░░░░░░ president s commentary from ░░░░░░░░ one on him being ░░░░░░░░ to sit down with ░░░░░░░░ s team and Mueller ░░░░░░░░ it relates to an ░░░░░░░░ I think that s ░░░░░░░░ to be a very ░░░░░░░░ factor in determining whether ░░░░░░░░ s going to do ░░░░░░░░ Now lawyers are going ░░░░░░░░ try to constrain precisely ░░░░░░░░ they re going to ░░░░░░░░ as it relates to ░░░░░░░░ obstruction s it relates ░░░░░░░░ the Russia investigation and ░░░░░░░░ And they probably want ░░░░░░░░ limit that as much ░░░░░░░░ they can to facts ░░░░░░░░ are germane to those ░░░░░░░░ But shouldn t it ░░░░░░░░ easy for the president ░░░░░░░░ sit down and answer ░░░░░░░░ Why is there a ░░░░░░░░ over this if he ░░░░░░░░ s innocent and that ░░░░░░░░ the truth Well I ░░░░░░░░ Rudy Giuliani said it ░░░░░░░░ first weekend he came ░░░░░░░░ There needs to be ░░░░░░░░ element of fairness and ░░░░░░░░ have to have an ░░░░░░░░ and belief that there ░░░░░░░░ fairness on the other ░░░░░░░░ as it relates to ░░░░░░░░ questions they re going ░░░░░░░░ ask Secondly there has ░░░░░░░░ be the questions have ░░░░░░░░ be germane to the ░░░░░░░░ at hand Folks have ░░░░░░░░ about obstruction and folks ░░░░░░░░ talked about Russia And ░░░░░░░░ those questions is very ░░░░░░░░ important Got to leave ░░░░░░░░ there Jim and Renato ░░░░░░░░ you.