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George Packer: Sacks Frames Ukraine War in Terms of Risk and Strategic Cost Rather Than Sovereignty
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MSNBC / MS NOW

Name: MSNBC / MS NOW

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Morning Joe: Weekend

Name: Morning Joe: Weekend

URL: https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

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Joe Scarborough

Name: Joe Scarborough

Employment: MSNBC

Position: Host, Author

, George Packer

Name: George Packer

Employment: The Atlantic

Position: Contributor

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05/10/2026 03:05 pm
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RUSH TRANSCRIPT SCARBOROUGH Well ░░░░░░░░ know they they they ░░░░░░░░ believe in capitalism when ░░░░░░░░ comes to single mothers ░░░░░░░░ they think should pull ░░░░░░░░ up by their bootstraps ░░░░░░░░ when it comes to ░░░░░░░░ billionaires they re all ░░░░░░░░ socialism and all for ░░░░░░░░ federal government giving them ░░░░░░░░ and helping them out ░░░░░░░░ sacks didn t I ░░░░░░░░ sacks hasn t he ░░░░░░░░ accused the United States ░░░░░░░░ provoking Putin into war ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine And again in ░░░░░░░░ ways again sort of ░░░░░░░░ himself with Putin orban ░░░░░░░░ sort of that anti ░░░░░░░░ democracy right PACKER He ░░░░░░░░ And for a long ░░░░░░░░ I couldn t understand ░░░░░░░░ someone who really does ░░░░░░░░ to care about facts ░░░░░░░░ about logic and is ░░░░░░░░ very good debater on ░░░░░░░░ podcast could end up ░░░░░░░░ to the Russian role ░░░░░░░░ invading Ukraine and trying ░░░░░░░░ destroy that country and ░░░░░░░░ it into the Russian ░░░░░░░░ To be charitable he ░░░░░░░░ he s pretty ignorant ░░░░░░░░ the history of that ░░░░░░░░ and the politics of ░░░░░░░░ region But the way ░░░░░░░░ came to see it ░░░░░░░░ of a piece with ░░░░░░░░ approach to to business ░░░░░░░░ is essentially there s ░░░░░░░░ moral calculation here It ░░░░░░░░ not about whether Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ the right to sovereignty ░░░░░░░░ we should support a ░░░░░░░░ country under siege from ░░░░░░░░ authoritarian empire None of ░░░░░░░░ seems to come into ░░░░░░░░ And so once you ░░░░░░░░ away the moral analysis ░░░░░░░░ that war you end ░░░░░░░░ thinking well Ukraine s ░░░░░░░░ risky bet As Trump ░░░░░░░░ said they don t ░░░░░░░░ to have the cards ░░░░░░░░ actually right now they ░░░░░░░░ have some cards and ░░░░░░░░ end up sympathizing with ░░░░░░░░ and Russia because morality ░░░░░░░░ been replaced by a ░░░░░░░░ calculation of where your ░░░░░░░░ lie And maybe if ░░░░░░░░ if if you re ░░░░░░░░ of escalation toward world ░░░░░░░░ three well that s ░░░░░░░░ s going to be ░░░░░░░░ for your portfolio And ░░░░░░░░ let s tone this ░░░░░░░░ and give Putin what ░░░░░░░░ wants That s my ░░░░░░░░
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