Brett McGurk: Macron and Starmer Are Making ‘Getting a Ceasefire Harder’ with Their Statements

KEILAR And we re ░░░░░░░░ the response from a ░░░░░░░░ of countries Canada is ░░░░░░░░ the U K and ░░░░░░░░ in planning to recognize ░░░░░░░░ statehood How does that ░░░░░░░░ the dynamic MCGURK I ░░░░░░░░ to say Brianna again ░░░░░░░░ go back to when ░░░░░░░░ was working on this ░░░░░░░░ constant coordination with our ░░░░░░░░ allies you know kind ░░░░░░░░ bringing them into the ░░░░░░░░ Where do things stand ░░░░░░░░ honestly whatever the intent ░░░░░░░░ Macron and Starmer in ░░░░░░░░ statements it makes getting ░░░░░░░░ ceasefire harder Because what ░░░░░░░░ re saying in those ░░░░░░░░ is especially Starmer he ░░░░░░░░ we will recognize a ░░░░░░░░ state unless there s ░░░░░░░░ ceasefire in Gaza Right ░░░░░░░░ the obstacle to a ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza is Hamas ░░░░░░░░ I just see Hamas ░░░░░░░░ holding out I mean ░░░░░░░░ re going to say ░░░░░░░░ is kind of now ░░░░░░░░ our way So it ░░░░░░░░ destructive to the goal ░░░░░░░░ all want What is ░░░░░░░░ goal we all want ░░░░░░░░ want this war to ░░░░░░░░ We want the hostages ░░░░░░░░ come out We want ░░░░░░░░ to get into Gaza ░░░░░░░░ should be the focus ░░░░░░░░ what are the steps ░░░░░░░░ get there And I ░░░░░░░░ these statements from the ░░░░░░░░ and the Brits and ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ help move in that ░░░░░░░░ SANCHEZ It does speak ░░░░░░░░ a broader vision of ░░░░░░░░ happens after the war ░░░░░░░░ Gaza right I think ░░░░░░░░ are elements within Israel ░░░░░░░░ have pushed for Israel ░░░░░░░░ take over the enclave ░░░░░░░░ Trump has been skeptical ░░░░░░░░ a two state solution ░░░░░░░░ s actually talked about ░░░░░░░░ the Palestinians out of ░░░░░░░░ So if that s ░░░░░░░░ in the cards in ░░░░░░░░ of Western support if ░░░░░░░░ isn t a legitimate ░░░░░░░░ outside of Hamas that ░░░░░░░░ can negotiate with or ░░░░░░░░ a Palestinian state with ░░░░░░░░ what do we wind ░░░░░░░░ with but war MCGURK ░░░░░░░░ think Boris it s ░░░░░░░░ great question It s ░░░░░░░░ difficult question Another trap ░░░░░░░░ think President Trump walked ░░░░░░░░ I think what he ░░░░░░░░ when he said Palestinians ░░░░░░░░ leave Gaza was that ░░░░░░░░ ve got to rebuild ░░░░░░░░ place Where do people ░░░░░░░░ But what he actually ░░░░░░░░ by saying that was ░░░░░░░░ made getting to the ░░░░░░░░ ceasefire much more difficult ░░░░░░░░ fed the ambitions of ░░░░░░░░ hardest right extremists in ░░░░░░░░ It fed the hardliners ░░░░░░░░ Hamas who said see ░░░░░░░░ should never give up ░░░░░░░░ at that plan I ░░░░░░░░ that was a that ░░░░░░░░ a mistake You re ░░░░░░░░ asking a great question ░░░░░░░░ Macron and Starmer are ░░░░░░░░ Hamas must disarm They ░░░░░░░░ withdraw from Gaza The ░░░░░░░░ is who Are they ░░░░░░░░ to send troops in ░░░░░░░░ know if you do ░░░░░░░░ if you do it ░░░░░░░░ kind of counterinsurgency math ░░░░░░░░ many effective and reliable ░░░░░░░░ personnel do you need ░░░░░░░░ an area to have ░░░░░░░░ after a situation like ░░░░░░░░ It s about 20 ░░░░░░░░ every thousand of the ░░░░░░░░ That means you need ░░░░░░░░ force in Gaza about ░░░░░░░░ 000 to 50 000 ░░░░░░░░ reliable non Hamas security ░░░░░░░░ ready to stand up ░░░░░░░░ Hamas Who is that ░░░░░░░░ to be Look I ░░░░░░░░ to every Arab capital ░░░░░░░░ this European capitals brief ░░░░░░░░ talking about is there ░░░░░░░░ chance we could have ░░░░░░░░ outside force coming into ░░░░░░░░ at the end of ░░░░░░░░ And the answer really ░░░░░░░░ no So it s ░░░░░░░░ key question We don ░░░░░░░░ want Israel to occupy ░░░░░░░░ don t want Hamas ░░░░░░░░ be there So who ░░░░░░░░ going to be there ░░░░░░░░ Israel one thing Israel ░░░░░░░░ not good at at ░░░░░░░░ is connecting political ends ░░░░░░░░ military objectives They have ░░░░░░░░ done this in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ have not explained where ░░░░░░░░ is going to go ░░░░░░░░ that void is now ░░░░░░░░ filled by these movements ░░░░░░░░ the French and Brits ░░░░░░░░ others.”