RUSH TRANSCRIPT Hotel Trivago ░░░░░░░░ of the hour Thanks ░░░░░░░░ staying with us I ░░░░░░░░ Ana Cabrera reporting from ░░░░░░░░ York and we re ░░░░░░░░ breaking news on Capitol ░░░░░░░░ with Democrats walking out ░░░░░░░░ re talking about Democrats ░░░░░░░░ the Senate Judiciary Committee ░░░░░░░░ leaving during the nomination ░░░░░░░░ of Controversial Trump Judicial ░░░░░░░░ Emil Bove That walkout ░░░░░░░░ show of protest over ░░░░░░░░ committee s handling of ░░░░░░░░ s vote and senator ░░░░░░░░ Booker accusing his Republican ░░░░░░░░ of rushing that vote ░░░░░░░░ committee s top Democrat ░░░░░░░░ Dick Durbin of Illinois ░░░░░░░░ the Republican members broke ░░░░░░░░ rules and is now ░░░░░░░░ for the Senate referee ░░░░░░░░ weigh in Let s ░░░░░░░░ right to NBC s ░░░░░░░░ sirkin and norm eisen ░░░░░░░░ special assistant to President ░░░░░░░░ Julie Major protest from ░░░░░░░░ judiciary Democrats What is ░░░░░░░░ latest on Bobby s ░░░░░░░░ Yeah a major moment ░░░░░░░░ and I know that ░░░░░░░░ talked about it a ░░░░░░░░ bit a couple of ░░░░░░░░ ago but just to ░░░░░░░░ you up to speed ░░░░░░░░ Booker who long said ░░░░░░░░ most Democrats that he ░░░░░░░░ to protest and slow ░░░░░░░░ particularly Bobby s nomination ░░░░░░░░ Democrats say according to ░░░░░░░░ Bobby had apparently considered ░░░░░░░░ to tell the Trump ░░░░░░░░ just ignore the court ░░░░░░░░ You don t got ░░░░░░░░ worry about them especially ░░░░░░░░ it comes to sending ░░░░░░░░ migrants out to countries ░░░░░░░░ which they have no ░░░░░░░░ to So booker took ░░░░░░░░ opportunity this morning when ░░░░░░░░ Senate Judiciary Committee was ░░░░░░░░ to process Bobby s ░░░░░░░░ but also a slate ░░░░░░░░ other judicial nominations to ░░░░░░░░ about why Bobby s ░░░░░░░░ is bad And booker ░░░░░░░░ re talking over Chuck ░░░░░░░░ who is the GOP ░░░░░░░░ of the committee as ░░░░░░░░ already proceeded with the ░░░░░░░░ It was an extremely ░░░░░░░░ moment not one that ░░░░░░░░ m sure I ve ░░░░░░░░ though We have seen ░░░░░░░░ dramatic moments in committee ░░░░░░░░ that are supposed to ░░░░░░░░ anything but before And ░░░░░░░░ what is happening now ░░░░░░░░ that Grassley continued with ░░░░░░░░ vote all the nominees ░░░░░░░░ reported out including Bobby ░░░░░░░░ to Grassley s office ░░░░░░░░ the top Democrat on ░░░░░░░░ panel Dick Durbin says ░░░░░░░░ so fast He s ░░░░░░░░ Republicans of breaking those ░░░░░░░░ and says for that ░░░░░░░░ this nomination should not ░░░░░░░░ processed for the full ░░░░░░░░ consideration So that s ░░░░░░░░ the Senate parliamentarian or ░░░░░░░░ referee comes in Now ░░░░░░░░ did all walk out ░░░░░░░░ as booker was talking ░░░░░░░░ followed suit with them ░░░░░░░░ saying that since Republicans ░░░░░░░░ t respecting this process ░░░░░░░░ re not going to ░░░░░░░░ it either I m ░░░░░░░░ sure how the parliamentarian ░░░░░░░░ going to rule on ░░░░░░░░ given that Democrats weren ░░░░░░░░ in The Room and ░░░░░░░░ vote was already proceeding ░░░░░░░░ of course Republicans have ░░░░░░░░ majority so they don ░░░░░░░░ need Democratic votes in ░░░░░░░░ process So we ll ░░░░░░░░ what happens But by ░░░░░░░░ accounts so far this ░░░░░░░░ is going to the ░░░░░░░░ We ll see if ░░░░░░░░ parliamentarian acts to stop ░░░░░░░░ on it Let s ░░░░░░░░ to what we heard ░░░░░░░░ that room just moments ░░░░░░░░ the walkout Here s ░░░░░░░░ guy that was given ░░░░░░░░ worst ever condemnation from ░░░░░░░░ judge in the s ░░░░░░░░ n y for withholding ░░░░░░░░ evidence as a prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ more times the things ░░░░░░░░ Mr Bov has done ░░░░░░░░ the DoJ and throughout ░░░░░░░░ career would come to ░░░░░░░░ not by elected officials ░░░░░░░░ by legitimate people whose ░░░░░░░░ should be heard Why ░░░░░░░░ we refusing to hear ░░░░░░░░ Why are we silencing ░░░░░░░░ people Norm this nominee ░░░░░░░░ now famously controversial What ░░░░░░░░ you make of the ░░░░░░░░ that Republicans are just ░░░░░░░░ right to his confirmation ░░░░░░░░ it s shocking that ░░░░░░░░ have somebody who is ░░░░░░░░ Trump s former defense ░░░░░░░░ who had A very ░░░░░░░░ history We heard from ░░░░░░░░ booker failing to Disclose ░░░░░░░░ when he Was a ░░░░░░░░ And now he s ░░░░░░░░ Involved in all of ░░░░░░░░ controversies That d o ░░░░░░░░ a whistleblower Coming forward ░░░░░░░░ say beauvais Wanted the ░░░░░░░░ Of justice To consider ░░░░░░░░ the courts That s ░░░░░░░░ what we want from ░░░░░░░░ federal judge We should ░░░░░░░░ from that whistleblower That ░░░░░░░░ why the senators Are ░░░░░░░░ upset Beauvais in one ░░░░░░░░ the cases that I ░░░░░░░░ working on at the ░░░░░░░░ defenders Fund Seems to ░░░░░░░░ been involved in targeting ░░░░░░░░ even terminating FBI and ░░░░░░░░ personnel who worked on ░░░░░░░░ 6th They did nothing ░░░░░░░░ So for all of ░░░░░░░░ reasons we should hear ░░░░░░░░ that whistleblower No wonder ░░░░░░░░ Democrats are upset and ░░░░░░░░ will be very interesting ░░░░░░░░ ve put an exclamation ░░░░░░░░ on their concern about ░░░░░░░░ It will be very ░░░░░░░░ To see if the ░░░░░░░░ rules that this nomination ░░░░░░░░ move forward for now ░░░░░░░░ more than 900 Former ░░░░░░░░ attorneys who served during ░░░░░░░░ administrations from Kennedy to ░░░░░░░░ sent A letter To ░░░░░░░░ of the Senate judiciary ░░░░░░░░ warning against emil bovi ░░░░░░░░ nomination Also more than ░░░░░░░░ former federal and state ░░░░░░░░ urged the committee to ░░░░░░░░ his nomination What are ░░░░░░░░ so concerned about Well ░░░░░░░░ re concerned about all ░░░░░░░░ those allegations that I ░░░░░░░░ laid out on and ░░░░░░░░ you discussed last hour ░░░░░░░░ emil bov he s ░░░░░░░░ who was part of ░░░░░░░░ defense team for the ░░░░░░░░ He s somebody who ░░░░░░░░ very close to the ░░░░░░░░ And he also has ░░░░░░░░ controversial views that Democrats ░░░░░░░░ been trying to put ░░░░░░░░ the face in front ░░░░░░░░ center not only in ░░░░░░░░ of their Republican colleagues ░░░░░░░░ also in front of ░░░░░░░░ American people trying to ░░░░░░░░ walk as much as ░░░░░░░░ Nomination that they found ░░░░░░░░ be inevitable But it ░░░░░░░░ t impossible for Republicans ░░░░░░░░ sort of snub the ░░░░░░░░ on this right We ░░░░░░░░ Thom Tillis do this ░░░░░░░░ Ed Martin and then ░░░░░░░░ nomination went away That ░░░░░░░░ why Jeanine Pirro was ░░░░░░░░ nominated for D C ░░░░░░░░ She was also by ░░░░░░░░ way in that slate ░░░░░░░░ nominees that were reported ░░░░░░░░ to the full Senate ░░░░░░░░ consideration But in this ░░░░░░░░ for Bobby this is ░░░░░░░░ who is going to ░░░░░░░░ the Republican votes because ░░░░░░░░ though he was concerned ░░░░░░░░ some of these allegations ░░░░░░░░ well ended up ultimately ░░░░░░░░ he will back him ░░░░░░░░ voted for him today ░░░░░░░░ the Senate Judiciary Committee ░░░░░░░░ this is going to ░░░░░░░░ on the floor if ░░░░░░░░ gets there But is ░░░░░░░░ the only one who ░░░░░░░░ on the Republican side ░░░░░░░░ concerns here No there ░░░░░░░░ other Republicans with concerns ░░░░░░░░ course the usual ones ░░░░░░░░ we talk about Susan ░░░░░░░░ Lisa Murkowski and others ░░░░░░░░ remember Republicans can afford ░░░░░░░░ lose three votes because ░░░░░░░░ president Vance will just ░░░░░░░░ that tie breaking vote ░░░░░░░░ really this is an ░░░░░░░░ of whether Democrats will ░░░░░░░░ successful in making their ░░░░░░░░ to the parliamentarian But ░░░░░░░░ don t think they ░░░░░░░░ do anything to prevent ░░░░░░░░ bovi if Republicans want ░░░░░░░░ to go through to ░░░░░░░░ confirmed and the president ░░░░░░░░ pushing them pressuring them ░░░░░░░░ do so especially since ░░░░░░░░ was already snubbed one ░░░░░░░░ his nominees a few ░░░░░░░░ ago Norm Jeffrey Toobin ░░░░░░░░ former federal prosecutor wrote ░░░░░░░░ Essay for The New ░░░░░░░░ Times suggesting bovi s ░░░░░░░░ is part of a ░░░░░░░░ to put him on ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court eventually writing ░░░░░░░░ at the age of ░░░░░░░░ Mr Bov has never ░░░░░░░░ anything of consequence or ░░░░░░░░ apparently expressed any views ░░░░░░░░ the central issues of ░░░░░░░░ law That in itself ░░░░░░░░ not unprecedented for a ░░░░░░░░ court nominee But what ░░░░░░░░ distinguish Mr Bov is ░░░░░░░░ record of hard edged ░░░░░░░░ and loyalty to Mr ░░░░░░░░ Norm do you think ░░░░░░░░ president s end game ░░░░░░░░ is the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ would bov get Confirmed ░░░░░░░░ this current political state ░░░░░░░░ play Ana We don ░░░░░░░░ even know If bov ░░░░░░░░ get us through the ░░░░░░░░ because of course if ░░░░░░░░ current status Quo holds ░░░░░░░░ does appear that He ░░░░░░░░ the votes But who ░░░░░░░░ to say With the ░░░░░░░░ today with the attention ░░░░░░░░ this that more information ░░░░░░░░ t come out between ░░░░░░░░ and the eventual vote ░░░░░░░░ also Don t know ░░░░░░░░ The parliamentarian Will do ░░░░░░░░ this I saw bov ░░░░░░░░ because I covered the ░░░░░░░░ criminal trial where Donald ░░░░░░░░ was convicted despite Bob ░░░░░░░░ efforts And there was ░░░░░░░░ issue of dishonesty in ░░░░░░░░ trial I saw something ░░░░░░░░ ve never seen before ░░░░░░░░ The judge felt That ░░░░░░░░ misled the jury in ░░░░░░░░ a witness and he ░░░░░░░░ bov the next morning ░░░░░░░░ apologize To the jury ░░░░░░░░ this pattern is profoundly ░░░░░░░░ At democracy defenders We ░░░░░░░░ worked on that letter ░░░░░░░░ 75 federal and state ░░░░░░░░ That has never happened ░░░░░░░░ with a judicial nominee ░░░░░░░░ the red flags are ░░░░░░░░ here and hopefully the ░░░░░░░░ Will do The right ░░░░░░░░ And not move Bov ░░░░░░░░ others like Jean Jeanine ░░░░░░░░ they re totally unqualified ░░░░░░░░ mean Quickly though if ░░░░░░░░ will norm If they ░░░░░░░░ move forward if he ░░░░░░░░ confirmed Jeanine Pirro gets ░░░░░░░░ What do you see ░░░░░░░░ the stakes Norm Well ░░░░░░░░ s high stakes for ░░░░░░░░ democracy Ana because we ░░░░░░░░ from studying other backsliding ░░░░░░░░ where you have someone ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump who wants ░░░░░░░░ impose an authoritarian regime ░░░░░░░░ try to take a ░░░░░░░░ of the courts And ░░░░░░░░ s what he s ░░░░░░░░ to do with bov ░░░░░░░░ s why it s ░░░░░░░░ important that the Democrats ░░░░░░░░ done the right thing ░░░░░░░░ walked out to call ░░░░░░░░ to this in case ░░░░░░░░ is part of a ░░░░░░░░ to put the man ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court Our ░░░░░░░░ itself is at stake ░░░░░░░░ the courts are at ░░░░░░░░