Garner Family’s Lawyer: If Situation Were Reversed, Indictment Would Be ‘in Two Days’

MOORE I suppose we ░░░░░░░░ t be shocked about ░░░░░░░░ things after the history ░░░░░░░░ this but it was ░░░░░░░░ a surprise I mean ░░░░░░░░ think the video is ░░░░░░░░ strong in terms of ░░░░░░░░ really violent police conduct ░░░░░░░░ I think The New ░░░░░░░░ Times in the editorial ░░░░░░░░ referred to it today ░░░░░░░░ vicious policing CUOMO Do ░░░░░░░░ believe and does the ░░░░░░░░ believe that Officer Pantaleo ░░░░░░░░ trying to kill Eric ░░░░░░░░ MOORE Oh I don ░░░░░░░░ know I don t ░░░░░░░░ that s the issue ░░░░░░░░ that really isn t ░░░░░░░░ issue whether where he ░░░░░░░░ had evil in his ░░░░░░░░ He clearly was violating ░░░░░░░░ own departmental regulations He ░░░░░░░░ was using excessive force ░░░░░░░░ have to understand this ░░░░░░░░ thing was about a ░░░░░░░░ essentially administrative code violation ░░░░░░░░ selling untaxed cigarettes not ░░░░░░░░ seeing it just suspecting ░░░░░░░░ And that s normally ░░░░░░░░ a summons able offense ░░░░░░░░ give somebody a ticket ░░░░░░░░ they show up in ░░░░░░░░ I don t understand ░░░░░░░░ they wanted to be ░░░░░░░░ aggressive It s that ░░░░░░░░ policing which is he ░░░░░░░░ was involved in that ░░░░░░░░ what led to the ░░░░░░░░ here CUOMO Is a ░░░░░░░░ explanation for that though ░░░░░░░░ the underlying offense was ░░░░░░░░ matter how minor trivial ░░░░░░░░ unusually policed once they ░░░░░░░░ we re going to ░░░░░░░░ you and Mr Garner ░░░░░░░░ no essentially I m ░░░░░░░░ going to let you ░░░░░░░░ me now you have ░░░░░░░░ very different dynamic with ░░░░░░░░ no matter what the ░░░░░░░░ offense is Isn t ░░░░░░░░ true MOORE It s ░░░░░░░░ and it s not ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ was ever a clear ░░░░░░░░ in that video that ░░░░░░░░ re going to arrest ░░░░░░░░ or that you re ░░░░░░░░ arrest In fact if ░░░░░░░░ watch it closely what ░░░░░░░░ see is Mr Garner ░░░░░░░░ frustrated because the pattern ░░░░░░░░ him being CUOMO He ░░░░░░░░ been arrested what 31 ░░░░░░░░ MOORE Some large amount ░░░░░░░░ times for a guy ░░░░░░░░ trying to make a ░░░░░░░░ And you can criticize ░░░░░░░░ way he was making ░░░░░░░░ living that s fine ░░░░░░░░ he was a family ░░░░░░░░ married for 27 years ░░░░░░░░ kids had grandkids This ░░░░░░░░ how he made a ░░░░░░░░ CUOMO The pushback is ░░░░░░░░ don t fail to ░░░░░░░░ with police instructions and ░░░░░░░░ don t get excessive ░░░░░░░░ used on you Is ░░░░░░░░ a fair analysis MOORE ░░░░░░░░ that s not a ░░░░░░░░ analysis The pushback is ░░░░░░░░ you raise an objection ░░░░░░░░ what you believe to ░░░░░░░░ unnecessary unlawful police conduct ░░░░░░░░ get a very aggressive ░░░░░░░░ CUOMO Right MOORE He ░░░░░░░░ saying this is not ░░░░░░░░ In fact his hands ░░░░░░░░ up and he s ░░░░░░░░ really you got to ░░░░░░░░ do this And then ░░░░░░░░ s when Pantaleo CUOMO ░░░░░░░░ grabs him from behind ░░░░░░░░ grabs him from behind ░░░░░░░░ takes him down with ░░░░░░░░ chokehold CUOMO The officer ░░░░░░░░ and he said he ░░░░░░░░ trying to protect him ░░░░░░░░ thought he was going ░░░░░░░░ bang into the window ░░░░░░░░ wanted to make sure ░░░░░░░░ didn t the other ░░░░░░░░ and that he wasn ░░░░░░░░ hurt himself Do you ░░░░░░░░ that MOORE No I ░░░░░░░░ t I don t ░░░░░░░░ in that video an ░░░░░░░░ being concerned about the ░░░░░░░░ of Eric Garner What ░░░░░░░░ see is a very ░░░░░░░░ takedown of somebody unnecessarily ░░░░░░░░ with the maximum use ░░░░░░░░ force You see it ░░░░░░░░ the way he was ░░░░░░░░ his head against the ░░░░░░░░ That was just unnecessary ░░░░░░░░ the failure to respond ░░░░░░░░ the fact that he ░░░░░░░░ saying I can t ░░░░░░░░ I can t breathe ░░░░░░░░ s obviously a large ░░░░░░░░ He s obviously in ░░░░░░░░ situation where he s ░░░░░░░░ to physically resist what ░░░░░░░░ going on He s ░░░░░░░░ being aggressive he s ░░░░░░░░ swinging out There s ░░░░░░░░ no reason for that ░░░░░░░░ of force CUOMO What ░░░░░░░░ if the officer doesn ░░░░░░░░ lose his job The ░░░░░░░░ bar is the NYPD ░░░░░░░░ its own prohibitions It ░░░░░░░░ not illegal to choke ░░░░░░░░ the certainly grand jury ░░░░░░░░ t find it illegal ░░░░░░░░ but it is against ░░░░░░░░ procedure They don t ░░░░░░░░ chokes Do you think ░░░░░░░░ was choking and do ░░░░░░░░ think that s grounds ░░░░░░░░ his dismissal MOORE I ░░░░░░░░ it s clearly a ░░░░░░░░ and there will be ░░░░░░░░ proceedings brought against the ░░░░░░░░ CUOMO Ongoing now MOORE ░░░░░░░░ will begin today and ░░░░░░░░ will probably if they ░░░░░░░░ t reach a resolution ░░░░░░░░ will be an administrative ░░░░░░░░ where they ll try ░░░░░░░░ determine whether he violated ░░░░░░░░ regulations Then it s ░░░░░░░░ to Commissioner Bradley as ░░░░░░░░ what CUOMO What does ░░░░░░░░ family want MOORE I ░░░░░░░░ the family wants justice ░░░░░░░░ don t think they ░░░░░░░░ to see Officer Pantaleo ░░░░░░░░ as a police officer ░░░░░░░░ New York City given ░░░░░░░░ history here CUOMO And ░░░░░░░░ issue of why the ░░░░░░░░ jury decided what it ░░░░░░░░ the lack of transparency ░░░░░░░░ the process a prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ their own police officers ░░░░░░░░ the family want that ░░░░░░░░ change MOORE Well we ░░░░░░░░ called this case in ░░░░░░░░ past and this case ░░░░░░░░ well that there really ░░░░░░░░ be an independent special ░░░░░░░░ who handles these kinds ░░░░░░░░ issues CUOMO And what ░░░░░░░░ the reaction you got ░░░░░░░░ was that denied MOORE ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ it s actually at ░░░░░░░░ given the current state ░░░░░░░░ New York law that ░░░░░░░░ s permitted but it ░░░░░░░░ certainly been something people ░░░░░░░░ for over and over ░░░░░░░░ these cases and there ░░░░░░░░ a good reason why ░░░░░░░░ that the prosecutor is ░░░░░░░░ close and so connected ░░░░░░░░ so intertwined with the ░░░░░░░░ to make their cases ░░░░░░░░ when they have to ░░░░░░░░ their own it becomes ░░░░░░░░ CUOMO As in the ░░░░░░░░ situation the idea that ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor is going to ░░░░░░░░ the grand jury as ░░░░░░░░ impartial presenter of evidence ░░░░░░░░ s not how that ░░░░░░░░ is usually used The ░░░░░░░░ usually has a heavy ░░░░░░░░ in shaping it which ░░░░░░░░ why defense attorneys like ░░░░░░░░ don t want your ░░░░░░░░ in front of a ░░░░░░░░ jury It seems to ░░░░░░░░ different with cops Do ░░░░░░░░ think that that is ░░░░░░░░ truth MOORE Well I ░░░░░░░░ the truth is out ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ true In Ferguson and ░░░░░░░░ here as well they ░░░░░░░░ really used the grand ░░░░░░░░ process to get to ░░░░░░░░ ultimate question of guilt ░░░░░░░░ than whether there was ░░░░░░░░ cause or probable cause ░░░░░░░░ believe that a crime ░░░░░░░░ been committed any crime ░░░░░░░░ the level of simple ░░░░░░░░ to reckless endangerment to ░░░░░░░░ to the level of ░░░░░░░░ And if the players ░░░░░░░░ reversed I think you ░░░░░░░░ have an indictment within ░░░░░░░░ days CUOMO If Eric ░░░░░░░░ was defendant against Officer ░░░░░░░░ and what he did ░░░░░░░░ him MOORE Right no ░░░░░░░░ There’s no question.”