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Michael Oren Appears on MSNBC’s ‘Morning Joe’ To Disucss Iran/Israel Crisis
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Morning Joe

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Michael Oren

Name: Michael Oren
Employment: Israel 2048
Position: President
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RUSH TRANSCRIPT Independently confirmed ░░░░░░░░ details of those reports ░░░░░░░░ us now is former ░░░░░░░░ ambassador to the United ░░░░░░░░ Michael Oren He is ░░░░░░░░ from Israel Mr Ambassador ░░░░░░░░ for being with us ░░░░░░░░ morning What more can ░░░░░░░░ tell us from what ░░░░░░░░ ve gathered over these ░░░░░░░░ 12 hours or so ░░░░░░░░ the planning of these ░░░░░░░░ and how they were ░░░░░░░░ out Well Willie Good ░░░░░░░░ Good morning To Israel ░░░░░░░░ m still in my ░░░░░░░░ room We all have ░░░░░░░░ shelters in our homes ░░░░░░░░ the Israeli military has ░░░░░░░░ that we can leave ░░░░░░░░ homes If you look ░░░░░░░░ my window here you ░░░░░░░░ see people in The ░░░░░░░░ which Means one thing ░░░░░░░░ one thing Only that ░░░░░░░░ Threat of being pummeled ░░░░░░░░ thousands of long range ░░░░░░░░ Ballistic missiles Each carrying ░░░░░░░░ of 2 000 pounds ░░░░░░░░ Tnt has disappeared And ░░░░░░░░ Means that somewhere Along ░░░░░░░░ Line in addition to ░░░░░░░░ out the four top ░░░░░░░░ leaders In Iran Nuclear ░░░░░░░░ The natanz Nuclear facility ░░░░░░░░ rocket Launchers Somehow Israel ░░░░░░░░ completely neutralized The threat ░░░░░░░░ Iran That doesn t ░░░░░░░░ the rockets can t ░░░░░░░░ Later on But it ░░░░░░░░ An Extraordinary Extraordinary moment ░░░░░░░░ one That can prove ░░░░░░░░ Transformative For the entire ░░░░░░░░ East So ambassador let ░░░░░░░░ talk about the aims ░░░░░░░░ this operation the attack ░░░░░░░░ We know there was ░░░░░░░░ attack near a nuclear ░░░░░░░░ a nuclear enrichment facility ░░░░░░░░ and also just taking ░░░░░░░░ the leadership of the ░░░░░░░░ military the heads of ░░░░░░░░ irgc a couple of ░░░░░░░░ scientists as well What ░░░░░░░░ the objective of this ░░░░░░░░ I think the primary ░░░░░░░░ is to remove the ░░░░░░░░ and Existential threat Of ░░░░░░░░ nuclear Armed Iran And ░░░░░░░░ Had received Information I ░░░░░░░░ that the United States ░░░░░░░░ the same information that ░░░░░░░░ had Now violated all ░░░░░░░░ Its commitments Under the ░░░░░░░░ nonproliferation treaty It was ░░░░░░░░ uranium At 60 with ░░░░░░░░ nuclear fissile material to ░░░░░░░░ nuclear weapons and that ░░░░░░░░ warhead development had Had ░░░░░░░░ To a point where ░░░░░░░░ could actually be weaponized ░░░░░░░░ placed upon a ballistic ░░░░░░░░ And Iran has an ░░░░░░░░ Fleet of ballistic Missiles ░░░░░░░░ are capable of carrying ░░░░░░░░ warheads So that was ░░░░░░░░ total Game Changer and ░░░░░░░░ threat to the state ░░░░░░░░ Israel There were also ░░░░░░░░ that Iran was Poised ░░░░░░░░ Mount multiple attacks Along ░░░░░░░░ s Borders even the ░░░░░░░░ and jordanian border So ░░░░░░░░ the Israeli government I ░░░░░░░░ this was not a ░░░░░░░░ difficult choice But clearly ░░░░░░░░ operation like this was ░░░░░░░░ in the planning years ░░░░░░░░ The planning And was ░░░░░░░░ made overnight And it ░░░░░░░░ just beginning what I ░░░░░░░░ is going to happen ░░░░░░░░ I think already it ░░░░░░░░ indicated by that last ░░░░░░░░ posted by the president ░░░░░░░░ that the Iranians are ░░░░░░░░ to be quietly crying ░░░░░░░░ to the United States ░░░░░░░░ the United States you ░░░░░░░░ hold off the Israelis ░░░░░░░░ we re willing to ░░░░░░░░ back to the negotiating ░░░░░░░░ and talk about Dismantling ░░░░░░░░ nuclear Facilities that are ░░░░░░░░ dismantled And I wouldn ░░░░░░░░ be surprised if president ░░░░░░░░ is Going to Be ░░░░░░░░ on Israel to Start ░░░░░░░░ This down In the ░░░░░░░░ maybe Hours or days ░░░░░░░░ most Mr Ambassador Good ░░░░░░░░ In the days before ░░░░░░░░ strike some U S ░░░░░░░░ officials were skeptical of ░░░░░░░░ claim that Iran was ░░░░░░░░ to strike at Israel ░░░░░░░░ other partners in the ░░░░░░░░ And you re certainly ░░░░░░░░ President Trump and his ░░░░░░░░ just now and we ░░░░░░░░ heard from him for ░░░░░░░░ now including in his ░░░░░░░░ call with Prime Minister ░░░░░░░░ on Monday said he ░░░░░░░░ wanted a diplomatic solution ░░░░░░░░ He still believed in ░░░░░░░░ possibility of getting to ░░░░░░░░ table and that talks ░░░░░░░░ get a deal done ░░░░░░░░ fact he s still ░░░░░░░░ that things will happen ░░░░░░░░ weekend We ll see ░░░░░░░░ there s go on ░░░░░░░░ as scheduled So my ░░░░░░░░ to you is why ░░░░░░░░ you think Prime Minister ░░░░░░░░ even if it wasn ░░░░░░░░ outright defiance of President ░░░░░░░░ he clearly went his ░░░░░░░░ way here and did ░░░░░░░░ take the path The ░░░░░░░░ the White House hoped ░░░░░░░░ would He took the ░░░░░░░░ of previous Israeli Prime ░░░░░░░░ Of Menachem Begin in ░░░░░░░░ Who went against who ░░░░░░░░ the will of Ronald ░░░░░░░░ and took out the ░░░░░░░░ nuclear reactor And he ░░░░░░░░ but in the path ░░░░░░░░ Ehud Olmert in 2007 ░░░░░░░░ went against the will ░░░░░░░░ George bush Junior and ░░░░░░░░ out the Syrian nuclear ░░░░░░░░ So there s plenty ░░░░░░░░ precedence for this And ░░░░░░░░ we re going to ░░░░░░░░ whether whether Bibi will ░░░░░░░░ in the path of ░░░░░░░░ eshkol the Prime minister ░░░░░░░░ the 67 war and ░░░░░░░░ meir the prime minister ░░░░░░░░ the 1973 Yom Kippur ░░░░░░░░ Both of whom resisted ░░░░░░░░ Pressures to End the ░░░░░░░░ Prematurely until Israel had ░░░░░░░░ Its military goals I ░░░░░░░░ that s going To ░░░░░░░░ the major story in ░░░░░░░░ next couple of days ░░░░░░░░ see whether Israel Can ░░░░░░░░ This action against Iran ░░░░░░░░ Israel right now is ░░░░░░░░ around pretty much At ░░░░░░░░ There have been No ░░░░░░░░ of Israeli losses to ░░░░░░░░ and Israel Is usually ░░░░░░░░ good about Reporting those ░░░░░░░░ early If they Do ░░░░░░░░ The goal Of this ░░░░░░░░ re going to Go ░░░░░░░░ to the Question what ░░░░░░░░ the goal of this ░░░░░░░░ Remove the immediate existential ░░░░░░░░ threat To the state ░░░░░░░░ Israel But there may ░░░░░░░░ a longer term goal ░░░░░░░░ personally don t see ░░░░░░░░ the regime in Iran ░░░░░░░░ this They have Proven ░░░░░░░░ be not just a ░░░░░░░░ tiger but but a ░░░░░░░░ tiger And they have ░░░░░░░░ of Opposition within The ░░░░░░░░ It s a despised ░░░░░░░░ by a large part ░░░░░░░░ the Iranian population And ░░░░░░░░ think we could maybe ░░░░░░░░ a big change In ░░░░░░░░ And a change in ░░░░░░░░ entire Middle East possibly ░░░░░░░░ between Israel and Syria ░░░░░░░░ and Lebanon Israel and ░░░░░░░░ Arabia Certainly a resolution ░░░░░░░░ the horrible Situation in ░░░░░░░░ And who knows maybe ░░░░░░░░ peace Between Israel and ░░░░░░░░ Ambassador You seem to ░░░░░░░░ suggesting that actually some ░░░░░░░░ of Regime change in ░░░░░░░░ you think Could be ░░░░░░░░ out of this As ░░░░░░░░ know The Americans were ░░░░░░░░ to start more talks ░░░░░░░░ the Iranians this weekend ░░░░░░░░ now looks You know ░░░░░░░░ impossible Is that is ░░░░░░░░ end of The diplomatic ░░░░░░░░ then A desirable Outcome ░░░░░░░░ well Is that a ░░░░░░░░ Consequence of these strikes ░░░░░░░░ that something That the ░░░░░░░░ government would hope would ░░░░░░░░ from these strikes to ░░░░░░░░ to Quash all chances ░░░░░░░░ Diplomatic negotiations Well It ░░░░░░░░ no I don t ░░░░░░░░ so I think it ░░░░░░░░ An excellent question I ░░░░░░░░ short of Regime change ░░░░░░░░ Israel wants is To ░░░░░░░░ the Dismantlement of the ░░░░░░░░ Nuclear program and the ░░░░░░░░ Dismantlement of that program ░░░░░░░░ has been Israel s ░░░░░░░░ from the get go ░░░░░░░░ ve been involved in ░░░░░░░░ issue for 20 years ░░░░░░░░ was always Israel s ░░░░░░░░ not just capping the ░░░░░░░░ And we Know that ░░░░░░░░ advanced centrifuges the capping ░░░░░░░░ nothing because Iran can ░░░░░░░░ to 60 and mass ░░░░░░░░ for nine bombs within ░░░░░░░░ matter of months even ░░░░░░░░ they re capped So ░░░░░░░░ has to be dismantled ░░░░░░░░ if Iran comes back ░░░░░░░░ and says uncle to ░░░░░░░░ United States you know ░░░░░░░░ off the Israelis we ░░░░░░░░ willing to go back ░░░░░░░░ the table and talk ░░░░░░░░ dismantling I think Israel ░░░░░░░░ view that sufficiently I ░░░░░░░░ In any case Israel ░░░░░░░░ want to continue this ░░░░░░░░ action until Iran Is ░░░░░░░░ Neutralized as a threat ░░░░░░░░ just to us but ░░░░░░░░ many of our Neighbors ░░░░░░░░ the Middle East So ░░░░░░░░ as you know Iran ░░░░░░░░ promised massive retaliation unclear ░░░░░░░░ it can pull that ░░░░░░░░ at this point given ░░░░░░░░ military decapitation that just ░░░░░░░░ But they will reconstitute ░░░░░░░░ if they do What ░░░░░░░░ you expect that to ░░░░░░░░ like through client states ░░░░░░░░ the terrorist organizations they ░░░░░░░░ What would that look ░░░░░░░░ It could look like ░░░░░░░░ it could be a ░░░░░░░░ operation not just against ░░░░░░░░ but against Jewish and ░░░░░░░░ targets abroad And I ░░░░░░░░ be very cautious I ░░░░░░░░ sure there are high ░░░░░░░░ that Israeli embassies Jewish ░░░░░░░░ abroad even synagogues in ░░░░░░░░ United States don t ░░░░░░░░ that out High level ░░░░░░░░ alert But what s ░░░░░░░░ And I just want ░░░░░░░░ reiterate the fact that ░░░░░░░░ ve been let out ░░░░░░░░ the home command here ░░░░░░░░ our bomb Shelters is ░░░░░░░░ extraordinary move At 230 ░░░░░░░░ the morning We Received ░░░░░░░░ That no Israeli has ░░░░░░░░ Seen in our history ░░░░░░░░ s not just a ░░░░░░░░ went off but all ░░░░░░░░ our Cell phones started ░░░░░░░░ hysterically Saying rush to ░░░░░░░░ shelters Rush to your ░░░░░░░░ I turned to my ░░░░░░░░ and said oh We ░░░░░░░░ Attacked Iran There s ░░░░░░░░ other reason for that ░░░░░░░░ we received those those ░░░░░░░░ several times during the ░░░░░░░░ And now the message ░░░░░░░░ it s over There ░░░░░░░░ a you know a ░░░░░░░░ light You can go ░░░░░░░░ and you know get ░░░░░░░░ And I Just Looked ░░░░░░░░ People are eating hummus ░░░░░░░░ is To me one ░░░░░░░░ the most Extraordinary indications ░░░░░░░░ just How far reaching ░░░░░░░░ successful this military Operation ░░░░░░░░ been So ambassador one ░░░░░░░░ question for you You ░░░░░░░░ a minute ago that ░░░░░░░░ this will bring Iran ░░░░░░░░ heel in some way ░░░░░░░░ perhaps even lead to ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza How would ░░░░░░░░ attack or bring Iran ░░░░░░░░ heel whatever that means ░░░░░░░░ whatever that looks like ░░░░░░░░ does this help the ░░░░░░░░ to peace in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ I Think Hamas will ░░░░░░░░ that It s completely ░░░░░░░░ now It lost its ░░░░░░░░ ally last year Now ░░░░░░░░ s lost its major ░░░░░░░░ which is Iran and ░░░░░░░░ s going to want ░░░░░░░░ cut a Deal as ░░░░░░░░ That deal I think ░░░░░░░░ look like the release ░░░░░░░░ all the hostages a ░░░░░░░░ long Term ceasefire the ░░░░░░░░ demilitarization of the Gaza ░░░░░░░░ and the exile of ░░░░░░░░ leaders to another particularly ░░░░░░░░ particularly hospitable country.
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