Chris Hayes Quotes Law Prof. Wife: Trump Engaging More in ‘Lawless Activities’ Is the Reason Why He’s in Court More than Any Other President

HAYES There was a ░░░░░░░░ moment in the United ░░░░░░░░ Senate yesterday I d ░░░░░░░░ to share with you ░░░░░░░░ because it features the ░░░░░░░░ constitutional law professor podcast ░░░░░░░░ New York Times contributor ░░░░░░░░ Shaw who s also ░░░░░░░░ wife And it also ░░░░░░░░ Missouri Senator Josh Hawley ░░░░░░░░ is amazing in his ░░░░░░░░ way I guess Kate ░░░░░░░░ a minority party witness ░░░░░░░░ the Senate Judiciary Committee ░░░░░░░░ Democrats on the committee ░░░░░░░░ called her and had ░░░░░░░░ exchange with Hawley who ░░░░░░░░ been going to ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ to defend the lawlessness ░░░░░░░░ boss Trump and explain ░░░░░░░░ he keeps losing in ░░░░░░░░ day after day after ░░░░░░░░ Hawley had printed out ░░░░░░░░ big gotcha chart which ░░░░░░░░ seemed to think proved ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is the ░░░░░░░░ of a vast network ░░░░░░░░ biased judges from across ░░░░░░░░ ideological spectrum Professor Shaw ░░░░░░░░ there might be a ░░░░░░░░ simple explanation Clip starts ░░░░░░░░ What s the principle ░░░░░░░░ when an injunction binding ░░░░░░░░ parties which was never ░░░░░░░░ in this country before ░░░░░░░░ 1960s and let s ░░░░░░░░ the chart the Trump ░░░░░░░░ which was done really ░░░░░░░░ once Trump came into ░░░░░░░░ for the first time ░░░░░░░░ don t think this ░░░░░░░░ a little bit anomalous ░░░░░░░░ don t think that ░░░░░░░░ a little bit strange ░░░░░░░░ A very plausible explanation ░░░░░░░░ you have to consider ░░░░░░░░ that he is engaged ░░░░░░░░ much more lawless activity ░░░░░░░░ other presidents right HAWLEY ░░░░░░░░ don t this has ░░░░░░░░ SHAW You must concede ░░░░░░░░ s a possibility HAWLEY ░░░░░░░░ don t think this ░░░░░░░░ never used before the ░░░░░░░░ and suddenly Democrat judges ░░░░░░░░ we love the nationwide ░░░░░░░░ And then when Biden ░░░░░░░░ to office no no ░░░░░░░░ It s Republican appointees ░░░░░░░░ well Senator And the ░░░░░░░░ is where some scholars ░░░░░░░░ to sort of locate ░░░░░░░░ beginning of this HAWLEY ░░░░░░░░ you identify that before ░░░░░░░░ SHAW Mila Sohoni who ░░░░░░░░ another scholar of universal ░░░░░░░░ suggests 1913 is actually ░░░░░░░░ first there are others ░░░░░░░░ the 20s HAWLEY Oh ░░░░░░░░ endured the republic had ░░░░░░░░ for 150 years before ░░░░░░░░ nationwide injunction SHAW Well ░░░░░░░░ federal government was doing ░░░░░░░░ lot less until 100 ░░░░░░░░ ago So you know ░░░░░░░░ s many things that ░░░░░░░░ changed in the last ░░░░░░░░ or the last 50 ░░░░░░░░ HAWLEY Okay so long ░░░░░░░░ it is a Democrat ░░░░░░░░ in office then we ░░░░░░░░ have no nationwide injunctions ░░░░░░░░ it s a Republican ░░░░░░░░ then this is absolutely ░░░░░░░░ warranted and called for ░░░░░░░░ That is HAWLEY How ░░░░░░░░ our system of law ░░░░░░░░ on those principles professor ░░░░░░░░ I think a system ░░░░░░░░ which there are HAWLEY ░░░░░░░░ that blind SHAW no ░░░░░░░░ on the president is ░░░░░░░░ very dangerous system Clip ░░░░░░░░ HAYES It was a ░░░░░░░░ hard to hear there ░░░░░░░░ the end but Professor ░░░░░░░░ said I think a ░░░░░░░░ in which there are ░░░░░░░░ constraints on the president ░░░░░░░░ a very dangerous system ░░░░░░░░ yeah maybe the reason ░░░░░░░░ Trump is getting blocked ░░░░░░░░ the courts more than ░░░░░░░░ presidents that big part ░░░░░░░░ the bar chart is ░░░░░░░░ he s finding himself ░░░░░░░░ court more than other ░░░░░░░░ because of what he ░░░░░░░░ doing and maybe not ░░░░░░░░ nearly every federal judge ░░░░░░░░ by both parties including ░░░░░░░░ Trump himself suddenly became ░░░░░░░░ anti Trump To quote ░░░░░░░░ witness A very plausible ░░░░░░░░ you have to consider ░░░░░░░░ that he is engaged ░░░░░░░░ much more lawless activities ░░░░░░░░ other presidents.’”