Capital Jewish Museum Shooting Witness: Columbia Protesters ‘Gave the Permission, and They’ve Called for This’

SIDNER Wow I have ░░░░░░░░ many questions for you ░░░░░░░░ you said you re ░░░░░░░░ these noises and you ░░░░░░░░ it s nothing You ░░░░░░░░ it might be construction ░░░░░░░░ realize at some point ░░░░░░░░ this is actually gunfire ░░░░░░░░ you said you saw ░░░░░░░░ being brought in Was ░░░░░░░░ him the person who ░░░░░░░░ saw brought in who ░░░░░░░░ he had a dislocated ░░░░░░░░ or was that someone ░░░░░░░░ Epstein No The first ░░░░░░░░ was he had seen ░░░░░░░░ shooting Someone who heard ░░░░░░░░ shooting and he just ░░░░░░░░ SIDNER Wow Epstein And ░░░░░░░░ was raining quite heavily ░░░░░░░░ D C yesterday He ░░░░░░░░ must have run and ░░░░░░░░ on the pavement and ░░░░░░░░ his shoulder SIDNER So ░░░░░░░░ you are in there ░░░░░░░░ mean how are you ░░░░░░░░ as you consider what ░░░░░░░░ happened The FBI calling ░░░░░░░░ clearly a targeted shooting ░░░░░░░░ at Jews We don ░░░░░░░░ know if it was ░░░░░░░░ targeted at the two ░░░░░░░░ who worked in the ░░░░░░░░ Embassy How are you ░░░░░░░░ forward today Epstein I ░░░░░░░░ just thinking about them ░░░░░░░░ m thinking about Sarah ░░░░░░░░ Yaron and just I ░░░░░░░░ them at the event ░░░░░░░░ minutes before it happened ░░░░░░░░ just thinking about them ░░░░░░░░ their family SIDNER As ░░░░░░░░ as you go forward ░░░░░░░░ you go forward with ░░░░░░░░ you have seen can ░░░░░░░░ give us any sense ░░░░░░░░ you said you looked ░░░░░░░░ shooter in the eyes ░░░░░░░░ you give us any ░░░░░░░░ of what you saw ░░░░░░░░ him as he was ░░░░░░░░ of getting help and ░░░░░░░░ were tending to him ░░░░░░░░ if he too was ░░░░░░░░ victim of seeing this ░░░░░░░░ Yeah Well to be ░░░░░░░░ I like heard out ░░░░░░░░ part because we were ░░░░░░░░ a secure room when ░░░░░░░░ initially walked in I ░░░░░░░░ saw him screaming and ░░░░░░░░ being handcuffed But what ░░░░░░░░ saw in his eyes ░░░░░░░░ mean I went to ░░░░░░░░ for grad school and ░░░░░░░░ saw the same thing ░░░░░░░░ his eyes as I ░░░░░░░░ in the eyes of ░░░░░░░░ the protesters at Columbia ░░░░░░░░ different between him and ░░░░░░░░ SIDNER But they did ░░░░░░░░ create this horrific shooting ░░░░░░░░ did not you know ░░░░░░░░ of Epstein Hmm SIDNER ░░░░░░░░ didn t shoot Epstein ░░░░░░░░ gave permission They gave ░░░░░░░░ permission and they ve ░░░░░░░░ for this They have ░░░░░░░░ for intifada revolution which ░░░░░░░░ the same thing he ░░░░░░░░ last night SIDNER Do ░░░░░░░░ worry that there will ░░░░░░░░ a conflation though of ░░░░░░░░ two Those people who ░░░░░░░░ speaking their mind who ░░░░░░░░ care about what is ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza and those ░░░░░░░░ who are like this ░░░░░░░░ who did this horrific ░░░░░░░░ who intend to do ░░░░░░░░ Epstein A conflation I ░░░░░░░░ they are calling for ░░░░░░░░ At Columbia University they ░░░░░░░░ for intifada constantly Not ░░░░░░░░ re not quiet they ░░░░░░░░ loud they re loud ░░░░░░░░ can hear it They ░░░░░░░░ recordings of themselves So ░░░░░░░░ s the difference SIDNER ░░░░░░░░ you afraid Epstein Yes ░░░░░░░░ re all afraid SIDNER ░░░░░░░░ will you do about ░░░░░░░░ Epstein Everyone should be ░░░░░░░░ SIDNER What are you ░░░░░░░░ to try to make ░░░░░░░░ feel safer Epstein Well ░░░░░░░░ just go on and ░░░░░░░░ your life I m ░░░░░░░░ New Yorker I remember ░░░░░░░░ 11 You can t ░░░░░░░░ them make you be ░░░░░░░░ You have to go ░░░░░░░░ and you have to ░░░░░░░░ your life And hopefully ░░░░░░░░ government does things to ░░░░░░░░ you Last night our ░░░░░░░░ failed us SIDNER Jonathan ░░░░░░░░ I know that they ░░░░░░░░ going forward with this ░░░░░░░░ is expected to be ░░░░░░░░ in this case We ░░░░░░░░ see what happens But ░░░░░░░░ know you ll be ░░░░░░░░ and we ll talk ░░░░░░░░ you again as this ░░░░░░░░ forward Thank you so ░░░░░░░░ and I m sorry ░░░░░░░░ you had to witness ░░░░░░░░ you did — Kate.”