House Democrat Spars with Fox News Anchor over Trump’s Cabinet Discussing Removing Him

MacCALLUM Thank you very ░░░░░░░░ for joining us today ░░░░░░░░ is good to have ░░░░░░░░ You know as you ░░░░░░░░ back on this especially ░░░░░░░░ a veteran and you ░░░░░░░░ about being with him ░░░░░░░░ the 80th anniversary of ░░░░░░░░ landing at Normandy does ░░░░░░░░ go beyond you know ░░░░░░░░ said you felt that ░░░░░░░░ shouldn t run and ░░░░░░░░ came out you were ░░░░░░░░ of the only ones ░░░░░░░░ say that but are ░░░░░░░░ moments when you say ░░░░░░░░ yourself I can t ░░░░░░░░ that we let him ░░░░░░░░ president at that point ░░░░░░░░ commander in chief MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ you know the evidence ░░░░░░░░ have is that he ░░░░░░░░ still making the right ░░░░░░░░ as commander in chief ░░░░░░░░ it s a perfectly ░░░░░░░░ question to ask But ░░░░░░░░ really do have to ░░░░░░░░ why so many Democrats ░░░░░░░░ that he would be ░░░░░░░░ good candidate going forward ░░░░░░░░ the American people could ░░░░░░░░ with their own eyes ░░░░░░░░ this wasn t right ░░░░░░░░ that s why I ░░░░░░░░ working behind the scenes ░░░░░░░░ first and then much ░░░░░░░░ publicly to say we ░░░░░░░░ a new candidate for ░░░░░░░░ election MacCALLUM But I ░░░░░░░░ to question that issue ░░░░░░░░ him doing a good ░░░░░░░░ as commander in chief ░░░░░░░░ you know I was ░░░░░░░░ earlier to another member ░░░░░░░░ member of the military ░░░░░░░░ talked about giving up ░░░░░░░░ Air Base just as ░░░░░░░░ example and that the ░░░░░░░░ snapped it up shortly ░░░░░░░░ that just as one ░░░░░░░░ And what about saying ░░░░░░░░ to Vladimir Putin you ░░░░░░░░ a minor incursion is ░░░░░░░░ thing and then what ░░░░░░░░ saw was just a ░░░░░░░░ effort to take over ░░░░░░░░ So you know what ░░░░░░░░ is there that he ░░░░░░░░ functioning well or that ░░░░░░░░ was being advised well ░░░░░░░░ was able to process ░░░░░░░░ advice in order to ░░░░░░░░ these really important decisions ░░░░░░░░ the time MOULTON First ░░░░░░░░ all look I was ░░░░░░░░ critic of the Afghanistan ░░░░░░░░ but Trump was the ░░░░░░░░ who made the deal ░░░░░░░░ the Taliban negotiating with ░░░░░░░░ to actually put us ░░░░░░░░ an accelerated timeline MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ not to give up ░░░░░░░░ Air Base MOULTON Well ░░░░░░░░ the evidence is that ░░░░░░░░ would have pulled out ░░░░░░░░ sooner than Biden MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ from the air base ░░░░░░░░ So Biden delayed the ░░░░░░░░ based on the Trump ░░░░░░░░ I m not sure ░░░░░░░░ was the wrong decision ░░░░░░░░ you could certainly ask ░░░░░░░░ know should he have ░░░░░░░░ changed the strategy and ░░░░░░░░ that we shouldn t ░░░░░░░░ from Afghanistan at all ░░░░░░░░ think these are reasonable ░░░░░░░░ But what I do ░░░░░░░░ is that Trump s ░░░░░░░░ several members of his ░░░░░░░░ had very real discussions ░░░░░░░░ whether he was qualified ░░░░░░░░ be president about invoking ░░░░░░░░ amendment to say we ░░░░░░░░ take the presidential powers ░░░░░░░░ from him when he ░░░░░░░░ doing the shenanigans around ░░░░░░░░ 6 MacCALLUM But doesn ░░░░░░░░ that seem laughable at ░░░░░░░░ point When you look ░░░░░░░░ what President Biden Jake ░░░░░░░░ he didn t recognize ░░░░░░░░ Sullivan at one point ░░░░░░░░ didn t recognize you ░░░░░░░░ he supported you MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ is my point Martha ░░░░░░░░ s cabinet apparently did ░░░░░░░░ convene those discussions MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ that s what I ░░░░░░░░ asking you Why MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ good question why Trump ░░░░░░░░ cabinet convened those discussions ░░░░░░░░ Biden s cabinet didn ░░░░░░░░ MacCALLUM Yeah but that ░░░░░░░░ not the question MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ it is because it ░░░░░░░░ a fair question about ░░░░░░░░ this was actually something ░░░░░░░░ Well but the problem ░░░░░░░░ that the American people ░░░░░░░░ the interim went to ░░░░░░░░ polls and decided to ░░░░░░░░ Trump for another term ░░░░░░░░ you could argue MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ that s the way ░░░░░░░░ work Martha That s ░░░░░░░░ beauty of democracy MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ I am asking you ░░░░░░░░ very specific question because ░░░░░░░░ were with him on ░░░░░░░░ different occasions and had ░░░░░░░░ questions about his abilities ░░░░░░░░ to 80 in two ░░░░░░░░ polls Wall Street Journal ░░░░░░░░ CNN of the American ░░░░░░░░ said he cannot mentally ░░░░░░░░ physically do the job ░░░░░░░░ So really I think ░░░░░░░░ has become a question ░░░░░░░░ it s a valid ░░░░░░░░ for all of the ░░░░░░░░ concerned Why was he ░░░░░░░░ to still be the ░░░░░░░░ at that point MOULTON ░░░░░░░░ s my point Here ░░░░░░░░ my point I saw ░░░░░░░░ once at Normandy and ░░░░░░░░ had this question But ░░░░░░░░ people who saw him ░░░░░░░░ a much more regular ░░░░░░░░ his own cabinet officials ░░░░░░░░ had that discussion and ░░░░░░░░ Trump s cabinet did ░░░░░░░░ Maybe they liked it ░░░░░░░░ way MOULTON So I ░░░░░░░░ t understand why you ░░░░░░░░ defending Trump when his ░░░░░░░░ was literally having a ░░░░░░░░ about taking the presidential ░░░░░░░░ away from him and ░░░░░░░░ Biden s cabinet who ░░░░░░░░ every day didn t ░░░░░░░░ that discussion MacCALLUM I ░░░░░░░░ that discussion seemed ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ that point honestly because ░░░░░░░░ wasn t any indication ░░░░░░░░ he wasn t capable ░░░░░░░░ certainly polls weren t ░░░░░░░░ that he was incapable ░░░░░░░░ I m asking you ░░░░░░░░ Well actually if you ░░░░░░░░ t follow the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ re pretty incapable because ░░░░░░░░ are supposed to actually ░░░░░░░░ the oath that you ░░░░░░░░ to protect and defend ░░░░░░░░ Constitution So if you ░░░░░░░░ going to defend January ░░░░░░░░ go ahead go to ░░░░░░░░ grave defending January 6 ░░░░░░░░ I completely understand that ░░░░░░░░ is your opinion on ░░░░░░░░ issue and I respect ░░░░░░░░ You are entitled to ░░░░░░░░ opinion and your perspective ░░░░░░░░ re an elected official ░░░░░░░░ I m entitled to ░░░░░░░░ the Constitution Martha and ░░░░░░░░ think you should respect ░░░░░░░░ Constitution as well And ░░░░░░░░ the way the reason ░░░░░░░░ we want to have ░░░░░░░░ discussion today is because ░░░░░░░░ us Republicans are passing ░░░░░░░░ massive bill to throw ░░░░░░░░ bomb and blow up ░░░░░░░░ deficit to cut taxes ░░░░░░░░ billionaires so that they ░░░░░░░░ take health care away ░░░░░░░░ millions of Americans and ░░░░░░░░ a massive deficit to ░░░░░░░░ kids to try to ░░░░░░░░ out how to pay ░░░░░░░░ it So look I ░░░░░░░░ honest about what I ░░░░░░░░ about Biden I think ░░░░░░░░ need to regain credibility ░░░░░░░░ the American people so ░░░░░░░░ m willing to have ░░░░░░░░ debate with you But ░░░░░░░░ you can t be ░░░░░░░░ about what Trump s ░░░░░░░░ cabinet was saying about ░░░░░░░░ then we can t ░░░░░░░░ an honest debate MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ said that Rod Rosenstein ░░░░░░░░ it I interviewed him ░░░░░░░░ know I m not ░░░░░░░░ that that didn t ░░░░░░░░ I m just asking ░░░░░░░░ it didn t happen ░░░░░░░░ it seems like there ░░░░░░░░ now so many people ░░░░░░░░ they were really worried ░░░░░░░░ him And it appears ░░░░░░░░ his family was trying ░░░░░░░░ keep them in place ░░░░░░░░ maybe people who worked ░░░░░░░░ him were okay with ░░░░░░░░ situation that they were ░░░░░░░░ to do what they ░░░░░░░░ to do by their ░░░░░░░░ to the president I ░░░░░░░░ raising this question because ░░░░░░░░ as a veteran I ░░░░░░░░ asking given your very ░░░░░░░░ concerns that you made ░░░░░░░░ early on I m ░░░░░░░░ you if you had ░░░░░░░░ and you said no ░░░░░░░░ didn t have that ░░░░░░░░ about him as commander ░░░░░░░░ chief MOULTON I asked ░░░░░░░░ question of White House ░░░░░░░░ and they said No ░░░░░░░░ he has to make ░░░░░░░░ decisions he s making ░░░░░░░░ right decisions And so ░░░░░░░░ are the people who ░░░░░░░░ close to him But ░░░░░░░░ think it s a ░░░░░░░░ question for you as ░░░░░░░░ Reporter to ask these ░░░░░░░░ officials I don t ░░░░░░░░ a problem with you ░░░░░░░░ them that question But ░░░░░░░░ certainly asked that question ░░░░░░░░ got answers that were ░░░░░░░░ Look he might not ░░░░░░░░ in his prime and ░░░░░░░░ could all see that ░░░░░░░░ our own eyes but ░░░░░░░░ is not incompetent he ░░░░░░░░ not violating the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ s not forgetting his ░░░░░░░░ he s not inciting ░░░░░░░░ insurrection So those are ░░░░░░░░ that Biden was still ░░░░░░░░ to do right by ░░░░░░░░ oath that he swore ░░░░░░░░ protect and defend the ░░░░░░░░ which is fundamentally the ░░░░░░░░ that he has as ░░░░░░░░ of the United States ░░░░░░░░ Okay I understand your ░░░░░░░░ on that and I ░░░░░░░░ you very much for ░░░░░░░░ us Thank you Congressman ░░░░░░░░ Good to have you ░░░░░░░░