RUSH TRANSCRIPT Joining us ░░░░░░░░ norm eisen former White ░░░░░░░░ ethics czar under President ░░░░░░░░ and co founder and ░░░░░░░░ member of democracy defenders ░░░░░░░░ former federal prosecutor ankush ░░░░░░░░ He is a senior ░░░░░░░░ with Politico magazine Thank ░░░░░░░░ gentlemen for coming Just ░░░░░░░░ make it very clear ░░░░░░░░ people watching talk about ░░░░░░░░ Trump is trying to ░░░░░░░░ here because the 14th ░░░░░░░░ is something he has ░░░░░░░░ talking about for a ░░░░░░░░ long time So norm ░░░░░░░░ that to you Eugene ░░░░░░░░ Trump is trying To ░░░░░░░░ What the Constitution Says ░░░░░░░░ his Own views It ░░░░░░░░ one of the most ░░░░░░░░ of His Acts On ░░░░░░░░ first day of his ░░░░░░░░ He wants to pick ░░░░░░░░ Choose which Babies are ░░░░░░░░ in the united States ░░░░░░░░ citizens instead of the ░░░░░░░░ Saying If you re ░░░░░░░░ here you re a ░░░░░░░░ That However is Not ░░░░░░░░ s going to be ░░░░░░░░ stake at the Supreme ░░░░░░░░ this week Even the ░░░░░░░░ Administration doesn t want ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court to hear ░░░░░░░░ Question Because it s ░░░░░░░░ obvious That Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ lose Instead We ll ░░░░░░░░ a debate about Injunctions ░░░░░░░░ whether a federal court ░░░░░░░░ federal Court Can Issue ░░░░░░░░ nationwide injunction There s ░░░░░░░░ lot at stake there ░░░░░░░░ for our democracy defenders ░░░░░░░░ We filed the very ░░░░░░░░ case in the country ░░░░░░░░ Day saying Hey Donald ░░░░░░░░ You Don t get ░░░░░░░░ pick Who gets to ░░░░░░░░ a Citizen who s ░░░░░░░░ here the Constitution does ░░░░░░░░ this gets to a ░░░░░░░░ that you wrote for ░░░░░░░░ where the headline is ░░░░░░░░ quiet blockbuster ahead for ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court So rather ░░░░░░░░ read this pull quote ░░░░░░░░ give us a thumbnail ░░░░░░░░ of your argument Well ░░░░░░░░ I mean look even ░░░░░░░░ as it concerns The ░░░░░░░░ citizenship order this is ░░░░░░░░ highly significant case because ░░░░░░░░ the Trump Administration Were ░░░░░░░░ get what it wants ░░░░░░░░ The board Which is ░░░░░░░░ just the elimination of ░░░░░░░░ injunctions but a very ░░░░░░░░ reading of whether the ░░░░░░░░ can represent their constituents ░░░░░░░░ would effectively end up ░░░░░░░░ injunctions that just applied ░░░░░░░░ seven parents and everybody ░░░░░░░░ in the country who ░░░░░░░░ have a child whether ░░░░░░░░ re here illegally or ░░░░░░░░ here legally would be ░░░░░░░░ to having children born ░░░░░░░░ who are stateless and ░░░░░░░░ exposed to deportation And ░░░░░░░░ ve seen this administration ░░░░░░░░ very aggressively to push ░░░░░░░░ of these buttons on ░░░░░░░░ the immigration area that ░░░░░░░░ t usually pushed But ░░░░░░░░ more broadly as norm ░░░░░░░░ this is supposed to ░░░░░░░░ about the concept of ░░░░░░░░ these judges can issue ░░░░░░░░ injunctions And that has ░░░░░░░░ a major vehicle for ░░░░░░░░ like norms and others ░░░░░░░░ have been challenging the ░░░░░░░░ and the courts They ░░░░░░░░ been able to stop ░░░░░░░░ lot of the executive ░░░░░░░░ and orders that Trump ░░░░░░░░ issued through these nationwide ░░░░░░░░ So if the court ░░░░░░░░ those are no longer ░░░░░░░░ they re unconstitutional or ░░░░░░░░ should be narrowed down ░░░░░░░░ certain circumstances that could ░░░░░░░░ a very dramatic impact ░░░░░░░░ the state of play ░░░░░░░░ the litigation currently and ░░░░░░░░ forward I know It ░░░░░░░░ annoying to do predictions ░░░░░░░░ predictions What do you ░░░░░░░░ s going to happen ░░░░░░░░ are the justices going ░░░░░░░░ vote on this one ░░░░░░░░ you had to do ░░░░░░░░ betting pool right now ░░░░░░░░ think the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ find a way a ░░░░░░░░ We ve seen this ░░░░░░░░ and again to rein ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump in case ░░░░░░░░ case And we ve ░░░░░░░░ Up there over and ░░░░░░░░ again in case after ░░░░░░░░ they have split the ░░░░░░░░ While reaffirming Core principles ░░░░░░░░ for example with the ░░░░░░░░ cases where we represent ░░░░░░░░ coalition of Three dozen ░░░░░░░░ Every administration From Nixon ░░░░░░░░ Trump won saying hey ░░░░░░░░ can t Disappear people ░░░░░░░░ a Foreign country without ░░░░░░░░ process The supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ split the baby but ░░░░░░░░ were unanimous Nine to ░░░░░░░░ Everyone needs To get ░░░░░░░░ corpus rights You need ░░░░░░░░ have your day in ░░░░░░░░ So I think we ░░░░░░░░ see some baby splitting ░░░░░░░░ is the is the ░░░░░░░░ splitting dangerous on this ░░░░░░░░ Right Because when you ░░░░░░░░ at like if we ░░░░░░░░ a72 you know which ░░░░░░░░ something that seems very ░░░░░░░░ and the average American ░░░░░░░░ doesn t who doesn ░░░░░░░░ fully grasp that this ░░░░░░░░ not just about the ░░░░░░░░ Amendment right If they ░░░░░░░░ us talking about the ░░░░░░░░ Amendment the birthright citizenship ░░░░░░░░ at the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ two and it s ░░░░░░░░ nine zero Right In ░░░░░░░░ that or affirming that ░░░░░░░░ are able to do ░░░░░░░░ injunctions What does that ░░░░░░░░ about where we are ░░░░░░░░ a country It s ░░░░░░░░ To be really disconcerting ░░░░░░░░ I think it would ░░░░░░░░ the justices really excuse ░░░░░░░░ to ignore the consequences ░░░░░░░░ their rulings And you ░░░░░░░░ to elisa s question ░░░░░░░░ don t know what ░░░░░░░░ outcome will be I ░░░░░░░░ a reasonable outcome would ░░░░░░░░ sort of splitting the ░░░░░░░░ type outcome would be ░░░░░░░░ to raise the standard ░░░░░░░░ when judges can issue ░░░░░░░░ injunctions without eliminating them ░░░░░░░░ But there are several ░░░░░░░░ who have been out ░░░░░░░░ on this issue including ░░░░░░░░ saying these are not ░░░░░░░░ And I think there ░░░░░░░░ an irony here in ░░░░░░░░ two issues converging on ░░░░░░░░ which is you know ░░░░░░░░ administration on otherwise would ░░░░░░░░ a pretty decent argument ░░░░░░░░ this but this is ░░░░░░░░ a poor vehicle for ░░░░░░░░ not only because it ░░░░░░░░ so wildly unpopular but ░░░░░░░░ because it has been ░░░░░░░░ rejected by every single ░░░░░░░░ that has accepted it ░░░░░░░░ every credible scholar and ░░░░░░░░ So you have the ░░░░░░░░ going up asking for ░░░░░░░░ procedural ruling and on ░░░░░░░░ the most unpopular distasteful ░░░░░░░░ of facts available And ░░░░░░░░ is right They re ░░░░░░░░ supposed to be considering ░░░░░░░░ merits of that order ░░░░░░░░ I ll be very ░░░░░░░░ to see what happens ░░░░░░░░ Thursday because if I ░░░░░░░░ one of the liberal ░░░░░░░░ I would not let ░░░░░░░░ conservative justices get away ░░░░░░░░ ignoring the merits of ░░░░░░░░ order because it s ░░░░░░░░ some abstraction They have ░░░░░░░░ case in front of ░░░░░░░░ There are real real ░░░░░░░░ involved Can we I ░░░░░░░░ to broaden the aperture ░░░░░░░░ because I know that ░░░░░░░░ arguments before the court ░░░░░░░░ nothing to do with ░░░░░░░░ citizenship but the fact ░░░░░░░░ the president is going ░░░░░░░░ it Let s remember ░░░░░░░░ correct me if my ░░░░░░░░ is wrong the reason ░░░░░░░░ we have that amendment ░░░░░░░░ that children born in ░░░░░░░░ United States are American ░░░░░░░░ was to loop in ░░░░░░░░ African Americans who were ░░░░░░░░ So my concern is ░░░░░░░░ the president who wants ░░░░░░░░ revisit this constitutional right ░░░░░░░░ everyday people might think ░░░░░░░░ this will apply to ░░░░░░░░ going forward Why shouldn ░░░░░░░░ I be concerned that ░░░░░░░░ administration would want that ░░░░░░░░ be retroactive And then ░░░░░░░░ like me and Eugene ░░░░░░░░ would be stateless You ░░░░░░░░ be concerned There is ░░░░░░░░ reason to assume that ░░░░░░░░ administration would stop where ░░░░░░░░ ve stopped And you ░░░░░░░░ right the order on ░░░░░░░░ table right now that ░░░░░░░░ at issue is a ░░░░░░░░ one But it s ░░░░░░░░ small step particularly if ░░░░░░░░ got the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ sign off on this ░░░░░░░░ for them to then ░░░░░░░░ to do retrospectively or ░░░░░░░░ against some group of ░░░░░░░░ And we shouldn t ░░░░░░░░ assume that they would ░░░░░░░░ good enough not to ░░░░░░░░ that Well The Supreme ░░░░░░░░ Is clearly concerned Also ░░░░░░░░ you look at the ░░░░░░░░ of their cases rejecting ░░░░░░░░ Trump again and again ░░░░░░░░ issues like immigration he ░░░░░░░░ he would be a ░░░░░░░░ on day one The ░░░░░░░░ of dictatorship is this ░░░░░░░░ of defying the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ laws So it s ░░░░░░░░ only on The 14th ░░░░░░░░ But across the board ░░░░░░░░ were in court with ░░░░░░░░ big Coalition on Friday ░░░░░░░░ s reorganizing The Entire ░░░░░░░░ Government unconstitutionally and that ░░░░░░░░ court agreed We won ░░░░░░░░ Friday We got a ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is Running ░░░░░░░░ The supreme Court are ░░░░░░░░ just Robots calculating The ░░░░░░░░ Of the words in ░░░░░░░░ Constitution They re human ░░░░░░░░ They re political actors ░░░░░░░░ see this Run amok ░░░░░░░░ this unlawful administration So ░░░░░░░░ coloration also tends To ░░░░░░░░ Me to believe They ░░░░░░░░ going to confine him ░░░░░░░░ argument is had on ░░░░░░░░ Knock on wood Wow ░░░░░░░░ is certainly plenty to ░░░░░░░░ with the court so ░░░░░░░░ hope to have you ░░░░░░░░ soon to keep parsing ░░░░░░░░ debating and deliberating what ░░░░░░░░ hell is going On ░░░░░░░░ So norm eisen and ░░░░░░░░ thank you so much ░░░░░░░░ being with