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Tom Nichols: ‘The Way that Policy Gets Done in this W.H. Is To Be the Last Guy in the Room Talking to Donald Trump’
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Katy Tur Reports

Name: Katy Tur Reports
URL: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-live-katy-tur
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Katy Tur
, Tom Nichols

Name: Katy Tur
Employment: NBC News
Position: Correspondent

Name: Tom Nichols
Employment: The Atlantic
Position: Staff Writer
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05/02/2025 02:41 pm
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Tur Mike Waltz was ░░░░░░░░ ideologically aligned with Donald ░░░░░░░░ or so the reporting ░░░░░░░░ He was too conservative ░░░░░░░░ much of a traditional ░░░░░░░░ hawk never convinced the ░░░░░░░░ that he was going ░░░░░░░░ do what Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ him to do which ░░░░░░░░ be harsh on Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ friendlier to Russia etcetera ░░░░░░░░ Nichols And also Mike ░░░░░░░░ wanted to actually run ░░░░░░░░ own staff and pick ░░░░░░░░ own people and be ░░░░░░░░ national security adviser which ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump s White ░░░░░░░░ is a problem because ░░░░░░░░ of the all of ░░░░░░░░ plugs on the Trump ░░░░░░░░ tree all go into ░░░░░░░░ same outlet in Donald ░░░░░░░░ s desk In a ░░░░░░░░ you know it s ░░░░░░░░ almost would have been ░░░░░░░░ respectful to Waltz to ░░░░░░░░ you re being pushed ░░░░░░░░ of the White House ░░░░░░░░ of Signalgate because Washington ░░░░░░░░ in Washington understands a ░░░░░░░░ kind of scandal You ░░░░░░░░ fingered a phone number ░░░░░░░░ talked to somebody you ░░░░░░░░ t have You know ░░░░░░░░ has to as Logan ░░░░░░░░ said on Succession there ░░░░░░░░ to be a blood ░░░░░░░░ This is worse in ░░░░░░░░ way saying because the ░░░░░░░░ that s coming out ░░░░░░░░ the Trump White House ░░░░░░░░ basically saying to Waltz ░░░░░░░░ were doomed from the ░░░░░░░░ you walked in that ░░░░░░░░ know you were never ░░░░░░░░ to get anywhere in ░░░░░░░░ job And you know ░░░░░░░░ months later we re ░░░░░░░░ of just sending you ░░░░░░░░ to a very nice ░░░░░░░░ in New York to ░░░░░░░░ sure But to say ░░░░░░░░ you know Katy as ░░░░░░░░ put it I think ░░░░░░░░ you re too Republican ░░░░░░░░ conservative too hawkish too ░░░░░░░░ Russian That s really ░░░░░░░░ strange set of objections ░░░░░░░░ lay against a Republican ░░░░░░░░ Security Adviser Tur What ░░░░░░░░ it mean to lose ░░░░░░░░ I mean I mentioned ░░░░░░░░ the Economist was reporting ░░░░░░░░ of the negotiations that ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration is currently ░░░░░░░░ you got the Russia ░░░░░░░░ but you also got ░░░░░░░░ Houthis in Yemen you ░░░░░░░░ got Iran you have ░░░░░░░░ s happening in Asia ░░░░░░░░ s a lot of ░░░░░░░░ level stuff Not having ░░░░░░░░ in that position instead ░░░░░░░░ Marco Rubio what does ░░░░░░░░ mean in terms of ░░░░░░░░ Nichols I don t ░░░░░░░░ don t think it ░░░░░░░░ very much at all ░░░░░░░░ know it tells you ░░░░░░░░ Waltz wasn t really ░░░░░░░░ to do his job ░░░░░░░░ way that policy gets ░░░░░░░░ in this White House ░░░░░░░░ is to be the ░░░░░░░░ guy in the room ░░░░░░░░ to Donald Trump on ░░░░░░░░ given day You know ░░░░░░░░ thing with Rubio is ░░░░░░░░ strange reversal of the ░░░░░░░░ dual hatting that happened ░░░░░░░░ the 1970s Kissinger was ░░░░░░░░ Security Adviser and he ░░░░░░░░ out the Secretary of ░░░░░░░░ because he was that ░░░░░░░░ because Kissinger had that ░░░░░░░░ juice This is the ░░░░░░░░ way around Rubio is ░░░░░░░░ kind of picking up ░░░░░░░░ jobs because in Trump ░░░░░░░░ mind they don t ░░░░░░░░ Sure be the National ░░░░░░░░ Adviser be the National ░░░░░░░░ be Secretary of State ░░░░░░░░ Again all of the ░░░░░░░░ come from one desk ░░░░░░░░ is going to be ░░░░░░░░ problem for all of ░░░░░░░░ situations that you just ░░░░░░░░ out One president cannot ░░░░░░░░ keep track and be ░░░░░░░░ briefed and informed on ░░░░░░░░ of those things without ░░░░░░░░ decently functioning National Security ░░░░░░░░ And right now Trump ░░░░░░░░ t have one.”
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