RUSH TRANSCRIPT To safety ░░░░░░░░ the woman was able ░░░░░░░░ use her sports watch ░░░░░░░░ the side of the ░░░░░░░░ to call 911 She ░░░░░░░░ lucky that those folks ░░░░░░░░ there in time to ░░░░░░░░ her out As she ░░░░░░░░ gripping the side of ░░░░░░░░ cliff Hey thank you ░░░░░░░░ much for joining us ░░░░░░░░ afternoon We very much ░░░░░░░░ it Jessica sends her ░░░░░░░░ The arena with casey ░░░░░░░░ starts in just about ░░░░░░░░ seconds or so It ░░░░░░░░ President Trump versus Harvard ░░░░░░░░ s head Into The ░░░░░░░░ the White House demanding ░░░░░░░░ apology from Harvard university ░░░░░░░░ Trump threatening its tax ░░░░░░░░ status as the university ░░░░░░░░ the administration s demands ░░░░░░░░ the president s refusal ░░░░░░░░ seek the return of ░░░░░░░░ Maryland man wrongly deported ░░░░░░░░ El Salvador being tested ░░░░░░░░ federal court this hour ░░░░░░░░ former President Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ about to deliver his ░░░░░░░░ big public speech since ░░░░░░░░ office Will that help ░░░░░░░░ party Hi everyone I ░░░░░░░░ Kasie Hunt welcome to ░░░░░░░░ arena It s wonderful ░░░░░░░░ have you with us ░░░░░░░░ this Tuesday As we ░░░░░░░░ watching a rapidly escalating ░░░░░░░░ the president of the ░░░░░░░░ States pushing the bounds ░░░░░░░░ his executive power farther ░░░░░░░░ farther across so many ░░░░░░░░ of American life including ░░░░░░░░ courts the legal profession ░░░░░░░░ media and elite education ░░░░░░░░ he s going head ░░░░░░░░ head with the nation ░░░░░░░░ oldest and wealthiest institution ░░░░░░░░ higher learning Harvard university ░░░░░░░░ Harvard has not Taken ░░░░░░░░ president or the administration ░░░░░░░░ demands seriously the White ░░░░░░░░ is taking on Harvard ░░░░░░░░ it became the first ░░░░░░░░ the elite universities to ░░░░░░░░ the administration s efforts ░░░░░░░░ take on so called ░░░░░░░░ campus policies restrictions that ░░░░░░░░ university says amount to ░░░░░░░░ limits on freedom of ░░░░░░░░ Last night the administration ░░░░░░░░ more than 2 billion ░░░░░░░░ federal grants to the ░░░░░░░░ and today the president ░░░░░░░░ threatening Harvard s tax ░░░░░░░░ status suggesting in a ░░░░░░░░ on his Truth Social ░░░░░░░░ that it should be ░░░░░░░░ taxed as a political ░░░░░░░░ end quote unless it ░░░░░░░░ in quote the public ░░░░░░░░ When it comes to ░░░░░░░░ as I said the ░░░░░░░░ has been quite clear ░░░░░░░░ must follow federal law ░░░░░░░░ also wants to see ░░░░░░░░ apologize and Harvard should ░░░░░░░░ for the egregious antisemitism ░░░░░░░░ took place on their ░░░░░░░░ campus against Jewish American ░░░░░░░░ Trump officials portray their ░░░░░░░░ against the most prestigious ░░░░░░░░ liberal universities is an ░░░░░░░░ to combat antisemitism After ░░░░░░░░ campus protests against the ░░░░░░░░ Hamas war in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ sees the battle differently ░░░░░░░░ president declaring the university ░░░░░░░░ not surrender its independence ░░░░░░░░ relinquish its constitutional rights ░░░░░░░░ former U S Treasury ░░░░░░░░ and the former president ░░░░░░░░ Harvard Larry Summers put ░░░░░░░░ this way This is ░░░░░░░░ Attempt to Impose the ░░░░░░░░ of Regulation on Harvard ░░░░░░░░ is imposed By government ░░░░░░░░ universities in countries that ░░░░░░░░ don t think of ░░░░░░░░ democracies countries that don ░░░░░░░░ have free speech Protections ░░░░░░░░ other words summers is ░░░░░░░░ that President Trump is ░░░░░░░░ like a dictator Or ░░░░░░░░ our colleague Stephen Collinson ░░░░░░░░ it today an elected ░░░░░░░░ like the guy that ░░░░░░░░ all but embraced yesterday ░░░░░░░░ Salvador strongman strongman Nayib ░░░░░░░░ who backed Trump during ░░░░░░░░ visit to the Oval ░░░░░░░░ by publicly refusing to ░░░░░░░░ a wrongly deported Maryland ░░░░░░░░ to the United States ░░░░░░░░ even finishing his sentence ░░░░░░░░ s something broken The ░░░░░░░░ establishment but they re ░░░░░░░░ running things anymore in ░░░░░░░░ country So back to ░░░░░░░░ we started the president ░░░░░░░░ a war against that ░░░░░░░░ establishment well beyond Harvard ░░░░░░░░ the Ivy League taking ░░░░░░░░ the media and the ░░░░░░░░ In fact this hour ░░░░░░░░ are following another test ░░░░░░░░ the president s push ░░░░░░░░ against the court system ░░░░░░░░ hearing on the fate ░░░░░░░░ kilmar abrego Garcia He ░░░░░░░░ of course the Maryland ░░░░░░░░ now held in El ░░░░░░░░ s mega prison It ░░░░░░░░ getting underway in federal ░░░░░░░░ right now We ll ░░░░░░░░ watching it through the ░░░░░░░░ and bringing you the ░░░░░░░░ there But let s ░░░░░░░░ with our panel CNN ░░░░░░░░ and co host of ░░░░░░░░ interview podcast at The ░░░░░░░░ York Times Lulu Garcia ░░░░░░░░ CNN political commentator Republican ░░░░░░░░ Kristen Soltis Anderson former ░░░░░░░░ adviser to both the ░░░░░░░░ and Harris presidential campaigns ░░░░░░░░ Elrod and CNN senior ░░░░░░░░ commentator Scott Jennings is ░░░░░░░░ Welcome to all of ░░░░░░░░ Thank you very much ░░░░░░░░ being here Kristen Soltis ░░░░░░░░ I want to start ░░░░░░░░ you on the big ░░░░░░░░ for Harvard university And ░░░░░░░░ way that the administration ░░░░░░░░ doing this because you ░░░░░░░░ there s 2 billion ░░░░░░░░ on the line There ░░░░░░░░ billions more that could ░░░░░░░░ affected Those grants funding ░░░░░░░░ like cancer research But ░░░░░░░░ course there has been ░░░░░░░░ explosion of protests We ░░░░░░░░ seen many anti Semitic ░░░░░░░░ on a lot of ░░░░░░░░ campuses And this has ░░░░░░░░ a real lightning rod ░░░░░░░░ the right of all ░░░░░░░░ the things that we ░░░░░░░░ seen happen so far ░░░░░░░░ week You know the ░░░░░░░░ of things that certainly ░░░░░░░░ are basically apoplectic about ░░░░░░░░ do you see this ░░░░░░░░ with Harvard and other ░░░░░░░░ institutions fitting in So ░░░░░░░░ confrontation with an institution ░░░░░░░░ Harvard is One where ░░░░░░░░ has Picked a very ░░░░░░░░ target Confidence in Higher ░░░░░░░░ has Really been Plummeting ░░░░░░░░ this country Over the ░░░░░░░░ decade even as recently ░░░░░░░░ 2015 Gallup found a ░░░░░░░░ of Republicans said when ░░░░░░░░ ask do you have ░░░░░░░░ in higher education They ░░░░░░░░ yes And those numbers ░░░░░░░░ fallen They ve fallen ░░░░░░░░ For Republicans But also ░░░░░░░░ Democrats And I think ░░░░░░░░ of the problem is ░░░░░░░░ quote office Space the ░░░░░░░░ of what is it ░░░░░░░░ would say you do ░░░░░░░░ that for a lot ░░░░░░░░ institutions of higher education ░░░░░░░░ s not a question ░░░░░░░░ they ve clearly answered ░░░░░░░░ so when you ask ░░░░░░░░ why don t you ░░░░░░░░ confidence They think they ░░░░░░░░ veered Too far Off ░░░░░░░░ Some of these Institutions ░░░░░░░░ you noted they contain ░░░░░░░░ right They do great ░░░░░░░░ like cancer research but ░░░░░░░░ have other things that ░░░░░░░░ think a lot of ░░░░░░░░ may be saying I ░░░░░░░░ t know if I ░░░░░░░░ To fund this Trump ░░░░░░░░ sensed that And that ░░░░░░░░ why he views them ░░░░░░░░ such a good target ░░░░░░░░ will say lulu these ░░░░░░░░ of higher learning have ░░░░░░░░ an awful lot of ░░░░░░░░ bipartisan people who come ░░░░░░░░ to Washington and end ░░░░░░░░ in positions of power ░░░░░░░░ was About to say ░░░░░░░░ s Always surprising to ░░░░░░░░ that Harvard is like ░░░░░░░░ as this kind of ░░░░░░░░ bastion When you think ░░░░░░░░ the A number of ░░░░░░░░ and Wall Street Executives ░░░░░░░░ Have gone there Yeah ░░░░░░░░ we can put up ░░░░░░░░ number of the Trump ░░░░░░░░ who attended Harvard Now ░░░░░░░░ will say that the ░░░░░░░░ of those that you ░░░░░░░░ on your screen are ░░░░░░░░ my age So they ░░░░░░░░ Elder millennials So perhaps ░░░░░░░░ lot has changed in ░░░░░░░░ intervening time But I ░░░░░░░░ I actually I really ░░░░░░░░ kristen s point right ░░░░░░░░ the middle of the ░░░░░░░░ beating up on Harvard ░░░░░░░░ not a problem for ░░░░░░░░ Right But on the ░░░░░░░░ hand there does seem ░░░░░░░░ perhaps be some hypocrisy ░░░░░░░░ on as well I ░░░░░░░░ I think to kristen ░░░░░░░░ point and We saw ░░░░░░░░ with the di fight ░░░░░░░░ was a Reason that ░░░░░░░░ Did that First with ░░░░░░░░ affirmative action Et cetera ░░░░░░░░ is a ripe target ░░░░░░░░ if you ve Never ░░░░░░░░ there and you always ░░░░░░░░ people who ve been ░░░░░░░░ Harvard they ll tell ░░░░░░░░ in the first five ░░░░░░░░ that they went to ░░░░░░░░ They were in cambridge ░░░░░░░░ s very annoying to ░░░░░░░░ rest Of us Yeah ░░░░░░░░ s no they went ░░░░░░░░ a college outside Boston ░░░░░░░░ actually went to cambridge ░░░░░░░░ original for graduate school ░░░░░░░░ there you go Some ░░░░░░░░ will say this to ░░░░░░░░ I m like I ░░░░░░░░ sorry I m not ░░░░░░░░ I m not as ░░░░░░░░ high brow as those ░░░░░░░░ you who went to ░░░░░░░░ second cambridge So you ░░░░░░░░ see Just even In ░░░░░░░░ conversation it brings up ░░░░░░░░ animus But the wider ░░░░░░░░ within which this sits ░░░░░░░░ of Course What is ░░░░░░░░ purpose of what the ░░░░░░░░ is doing here And ░░░░░░░░ know from Chris rufo ░░░░░░░░ project 2025 and other ░░░░░░░░ that have been put ░░░░░░░░ there that they want ░░░░░░░░ really take down anything ░░░░░░░░ is viewed as the ░░░░░░░░ unquote liberal establishment And ░░░░░░░░ what the administration asked ░░░░░░░░ Harvard wasn t just ░░░░░░░░ anti Semitism They asked ░░░░░░░░ that were about who ░░░░░░░░ admit who gets tenure ░░░░░░░░ that are quite frankly ░░░░░░░░ the remit of the ░░░░░░░░ government And if you ░░░░░░░░ about how Republicans have ░░░░░░░░ Democrats over and over ░░░░░░░░ of weaponizing government of ░░░░░░░░ the federal government here ░░░░░░░░ re seeing this administration ░░░░░░░░ push into something that ░░░░░░░░ never really been done ░░░░░░░░ the same way before ░░░░░░░░ mean Scott Jennings that ░░░░░░░░ like a fair point ░░░░░░░░ mean if Democrats were ░░░░░░░░ this in a way ░░░░░░░░ you know conservatives felt ░░░░░░░░ was taking on some ░░░░░░░░ their interests in these ░░░░░░░░ institutions I feel like ░░░░░░░░ would hear you talking ░░░░░░░░ hey government is supposed ░░░░░░░░ be more limited Why ░░░░░░░░ Democrats be complaining about ░░░░░░░░ Like 96 of the ░░░░░░░░ contributions from The faculty ░░░░░░░░ to Democrats from Harvard ░░░░░░░░ s no Diversity of ░░░░░░░░ among the faculty there ░░░░░░░░ and by the way ░░░░░░░░ should say I ve ░░░░░░░░ some experience with it ░░░░░░░░ was a fellow at ░░░░░░░░ iop Kristen was as ░░░░░░░░ I taught a class ░░░░░░░░ the Harvard Kennedy school ░░░░░░░░ a number of semesters ░░░░░░░░ had a good experience ░░░░░░░░ I think But no ░░░░░░░░ of Thought apparently But ░░░░░░░░ think in recent years ░░░░░░░░ since October the 7th ░░░░░░░░ civil rights of these ░░░░░░░░ students on campus have ░░░░░░░░ been violated I don ░░░░░░░░ think the university Harvard ░░░░░░░░ a lot of these ░░░░░░░░ ivies have taken near ░░░░░░░░ steps to protect these ░░░░░░░░ They ve been chased ░░░░░░░░ campus barred from buildings ░░░░░░░░ have been taken over ░░░░░░░░ mean it s ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ s going on And ░░░░░░░░ s the deal They ░░░░░░░░ federal money They have ░░░░░░░░ 53 billion endowment They ░░░░░░░░ federal money If you ░░░░░░░░ to continue to take ░░░░░░░░ money you re going ░░░░░░░░ have to listen to ░░░░░░░░ people who dole it ░░░░░░░░ And that s the ░░░░░░░░ Administration who are standing ░░░░░░░░ for these Jewish students ░░░░░░░░ they want to give ░░░░░░░░ the federal money you ░░░░░░░░ create I guess the ░░░░░░░░ of all the culture ░░░░░░░░ hate that you want ░░░░░░░░ that s fine But ░░░░░░░░ now they re entangled ░░░░░░░░ the federal government and ░░░░░░░░ re going to have ░░░░░░░░ deal with the president ░░░░░░░░ I mean I will ░░░░░░░░ what the what the ░░░░░░░░ the Trump Administration is ░░░░░░░░ to do goes well ░░░░░░░░ the antisemitism question and the