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Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Meta’s foreign relations - Josh Hawley [Part 2]
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censor ░░░░░░░░ Facebook users will protect ░░░░░░░░ rights of all Have ░░░░░░░░ ever known Mark Zuckerberg ░░░░░░░░ censor on behalf of ░░░░░░░░ Yes Tim unholy let ░░░░░░░░ let s talk about ░░░░░░░░ few specific instances and ░░░░░░░░ 17 the Chinese dissident ░░░░░░░░ wing suddenly heard his ░░░░░░░░ profile shut down now ░░░░░░░░ at first said that ░░░░░░░░ was a temporary glitch ░░░░░░░░ a true to your ░░░░░░░░ and no centrally in ░░░░░░░░ shut down this dissidents ░░░░░░░░ this dissident has you ░░░░░░░░ out a moment ago ░░░░░░░░ living on American soil ░░░░░░░░ the time Facebook shutdown ░░░░░░░░ page based on pressure ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese communist party ░░░░░░░░ that accurate that tech ░░░░░░░░ s just take a ░░░░░░░░ here at the document ░░░░░░░░ are some meeting notes ░░░░░░░░ shortly after a conversation ░░░░░░░░ with Mr chow who ░░░░░░░░ a communist Chinese party ░░░░░░░░ a government official here ░░░░░░░░ chow asks Facebook It ░░░░░░░░ to Facebook that they ░░░░░░░░ Mister gore s Facebook ░░░░░░░░ dealt with the note ░░░░░░░░ that chow watch Facebook ░░░░░░░░ China but there are ░░░░░░░░ who don t so ░░░░░░░░ look me to take ░░░░░░░░ and do more in ░░░░░░░░ situations to demonstrate we ░░░░░░░░ address mutual interests and ░░░░░░░░ they go on to ░░░░░░░░ here So we can ░░░░░░░░ We can do nothing ░░░░░░░░ can say we can ░░░░░░░░ something or we can ░░░░░░░░ even more than expected ░░░░░░░░ we need to provide ░░░░░░░░ response to the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ party on what we ░░░░░░░░ do So here we ░░░░░░░░ eh evidence of high ░░░░░░░░ contacts between Chinese communist ░░░░░░░░ officials and Facebook asking ░░░░░░░░ this dissidents pays to ░░░░░░░░ taken down Facebook acknowledging ░░░░░░░░ pressure saying We need ░░░░░░░░ do something if we ░░░░░░░░ to get that the ░░░░░░░░ s cooperation the government ░░░░░░░░ cooperation and what happened ░░░░░░░░ Send you honey One ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese communist party ░░░░░░░░ max ethnic sad is ░░░░░░░░ they want to silence ░░░░░░░░ I can say that ░░░░░░░░ personal experience and said ░░░░░░░░ think they came to ░░░░░░░░ right man and This ░░░░░░░░ to a series events ░░░░░░░░ eventually this man on ░░░░░░░░ soil was kicked off ░░░░░░░░ platform So in April ░░░░░░░░ 17 following these conversations ░░░░░░░░ takes down the profile ░░░░░░░░ it of Mr guava ░░░░░░░░ September They make that ░░░░░░░░ permanent Now here s ░░░░░░░░ really interesting thing When ░░░░░░░░ general counsel was asked ░░░░░░░░ this directly under oath ░░░░░░░░ a Senate intelligence committee ░░░░░░░░ he sang a different ░░░░░░░░ Senator Rubio asked him ░░░░░░░░ Was there any pressure ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese government to ░░░░░░░░ his account Was there ░░░░░░░░ pressure to block as ░░░░░░░░ the general counsel Mister ░░░░░░░░ know senator We reviewed ░░░░░░░░ report on that account ░░░░░░░░ analyze it through regular ░░░░░░░░ using regular procedures Was ░░░░░░░░ truthful testimony this with ░░░░░░░░ Now since it s ░░░░░░░░ fact an out right ░░░░░░░░ on it has since ░░░░░░░░ just saw the documentation ░░░░░░░░ receive not just a ░░░░░░░░ to Facebook receive direct ░░░░░░░░ from the Chinese communist ░░░░░░░░ and bowed to it ░░░░░░░░ discussed it internally and ░░░░░░░░ It and then lied ░░░░░░░░ it to Congress Let ░░░░░░░░ talk about what else ░░░░░░░░ ve been able to ░░░░░░░░ been willing to do ░░░░░░░░ order to get this ░░░░░░░░ to the Chinese market ░░░░░░░░ at some more meeting ░░░░░░░░ Here s a a ░░░░░░░░ here s a readout ░░░░░░░░ a group of Facebook ░░░░░░░░ offering to create a ░░░░░░░░ regime that will allow ░░░░░░░░ to block all traffic ░░░░░░░░ Chinese communist party doesn ░░░░░░░░ want phase zero This ░░░░░░░░ an internal chat fazio ░░░░░░░░ identify all traffic that ░░░░░░░░ currently blocked in China ░░░░░░░░ we Facebook Block them ░░░░░░░░ is a test for ░░░░░░░░ to see whether we ░░░░░░░░ actually identify all traffic ░░░░░░░░ China And then the ░░░░░░░░ continues yes good way ░░░░░░░░ build trust and another ░░░░░░░░ says great stuff guys ░░░░░░░░ s do it What ░░░░░░░░ does that give us ░░░░░░░░ context here miss when ░░░░░░░░ What are they talking ░░░░░░░░ doing here when they ░░░░░░░░ block all content that ░░░░░░░░ wants We Facebook do ░░░░░░░░ for them What are ░░░░░░░░ talking about that Talking ░░░░░░░░ activating that censorship tools ░░░░░░░░ behalf of the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ party so Facebook create ░░░░░░░░ tools that will allow ░░░░░░░░ to assume whom the ░░░░░░░░ if you like of ░░░░░░░░ where they will do ░░░░░░░░ of the censoring that ░░░░░░░░ Chinese government was doing ░░░░░░░░ would do it on ░░░░░░░░ behalf Is that right ░░░░░░░░ s my understanding and ░░░░░░░░ you have Facebook employees ░░░░░░░░ it good way to ░░░░░░░░ trust They mean build ░░░░░░░░ with the communist party ░░░░░░░░ track set and great ░░░░░░░░ guys Let s do ░░░░░░░░ meaning they Greenland this ░░░░░░░░ and went forward to ░░░░░░░░ if they could make ░░░░░░░░ happen Is that accurate ░░░░░░░░ s man standing send ░░░░░░░░ all of this let ░░░░░░░░ be clear for a ░░░░░░░░ regime in China The ░░░░░░░░ barbaric most evil regime ░░░░░░░░ the face of the ░░░░░░░░ and our free speech ░░░░░░░░ Mark Zuckerberg is here ░░░░░░░░ his team of engineers ░░░░░░░░ working to make Facebook ░░░░░░░░ on their behalf Let ░░░░░░░░ me ask you this ░░░░░░░░ about user data miss ░░░░░░░░ Facebook has said publicly ░░░░░░░░ times We would never ░░░░░░░░ user data it s ░░░░░░░░ red line in the ░░░░░░░░ We d never do ░░░░░░░░ Never never never was ░░░░░░░░ ever willing to share ░░░░░░░░ data with the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ party Yes answer in ░░░░░░░░ they they had a ░░░░░░░░ for that didn t ░░░░░░░░ some more documents Since ░░░░░░░░ documents Update I spoke ░░░░░░░░ the China team yesterday ░░░░░░░░ flagged a potential complications ░░░░░░░░ from our negotiations with ░░░░░░░░ Chinese government emphasizes the ░░░░░░░░ document Now these are ░░░░░░░░ executives in exchange for ░░░░░░░░ ability to do operations ░░░░░░░░ China Facebook will agree ░░░░░░░░ grant the Chinese government ░░░░░░░░ to Chinese user data ░░░░░░░░ is a black and ░░░░░░░░ Facebook will agree to ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese government access ░░░░░░░░ Chinese user data including ░░░░░░░░ Kong ease user that ░░░░░░░░ then they talk about ░░░░░░░░ re gonna have to ░░░░░░░░ the that their Hong ░░░░░░░░ citizens to real agree ░░░░░░░░ terms of service so ░░░░░░░░ can slide this right ░░░░░░░░ them This is extraordinary ░░░░░░░░ I ask you miss ░░░░░░░░ williams was Americans user ░░░░░░░░ ever compromised you they ░░░░░░░░ plan to compromise American ░░░░░░░░ data in any way ░░░░░░░░ you know one of ░░░░░░░░ challenges with the and ░░░░░░░░ and market is big ░░░░░░░░ China was the internet ░░░░░░░░ That would independent say ░░░░░░░░ mention that Cable that ░░░░░░░░ why they joined between ░░░░░░░░ us and China and ░░░░░░░░ would be very helpful ░░░░░░░░ the in in in ░░░░░░░░ in sentencing this market ░░░░░░░░ it would still still ░░░░░░░░ that they say this ░░░░░░░░ be slow so they ░░░░░░░░ and using pop surveys ░░░░░░░░ pups It is a ░░░░░░░░ dad and that brings ░░░░░░░░ data closer to the ░░░░░░░░ at the challenge with ░░░░░░░░ as is that you ░░░░░░░░ t segregate dad would ░░░░░░░░ American dad I would ░░░░░░░░ Chinese use it at ░░░░░░░░ and it would be ░░░░░░░░ Chinese soil So I ░░░░░░░░ to just be clear ░░░░░░░░ this here in this ░░░░░░░░ Facebook is talking about ░░░░░░░░ Chinese user data available ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese government because ░░░░░░░░ re going to store ░░░░░░░░ data in China Is ░░░░░░░░ correct correct when you ░░░░░░░░ that data in China ░░░░░░░░ who exchange messages or ░░░░░░░░ information with Chinese Facebook ░░░░░░░░ that Would mean the ░░░░░░░░ government could get access ░░░░░░░░ the American data as ░░░░░░░░ as I correct three ░░░░░░░░ pups and is potentially ░░░░░░░░ Facebook was willing to ░░░░░░░░ that risk If there ░░░░░░░░ a lot of discussion ░░░░░░░░ this and ends Ultimately ░░░░░░░░ I mean this is ░░░░░░░░ is extraordinary This is ░░░░░░░░ contrary to what Facebook ░░░░░░░░ represented for willing to ░░░░░░░░ data center store data ░░░░░░░░ China They are willing ░░░░░░░░ to give the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ access to it and ░░░░░░░░ that means that American ░░░░░░░░ data is also compromise ░░░░░░░░ re willing to do ░░░░░░░░ to all for profits ░░░░░░░░ China there was virtually ░░░░░░░░ they weren t Willing ░░░░░░░░ do German Grassley I ░░░░░░░░ only certain over here ░░░░░░░░ of
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