Douglas Murray Confronts Joe Rogan for Giving ‘Dangerous’ and ‘Fringe’ Voices a Platform: ‘It’s Weird!’

Rogan I bet you ░░░░░░░░ on a lot of ░░░░░░░░ and I bet you ░░░░░░░░ in a lot of ░░░░░░░░ It d be fascinating ░░░░░░░░ see your perspectives on ░░░░░░░░ things So that s ░░░░░░░░ you re here together ░░░░░░░░ Okay Laughter Rogan That ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY Can I ask ░░░░░░░░ something Rogan Yes sir ░░░░░░░░ Since the war in ░░░░░░░░ began and since the ░░░░░░░░ in Ukraine began you ░░░░░░░░ had quite a lot ░░░░░░░░ people who are very ░░░░░░░░ both in different ways ░░░░░░░░ Yes MURRAY Do you ░░░░░░░░ you ve had enough ░░░░░░░░ on who are supportive ░░░░░░░░ either war Rogan I ░░░░░░░░ t know that word ░░░░░░░░ if that s a ░░░░░░░░ word MURRAY Let s ░░░░░░░░ enough people who are ░░░░░░░░ the side of Israel ░░░░░░░░ of wild critics Rogan ░░░░░░░░ I ve had a ░░░░░░░░ I mean I believe ░░░░░░░░ Saad is on the ░░░░░░░░ of Israel for sure ░░░░░░░░ is on the side ░░░░░░░░ Israel Smith You had ░░░░░░░░ Baker Coleman Hughes MURRAY ░░░░░░░░ did it for like ░░░░░░░░ minutes it wasn t ░░░░░░░░ he was here Rogan ░░░░░░░░ I mean None of ░░░░░░░░ None of them is ░░░░░░░░ they re here You ░░░░░░░░ it s a good ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY Do you think ░░░░░░░░ tilted one way Rogan ░░░░░░░░ personally MURRAY No no ░░░░░░░░ just the guests you ░░░░░░░░ Rogan The guests Yeah ░░░░░░░░ more tilted towards the ░░░░░░░░ that perhaps the way ░░░░░░░░ ve done it is ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY But why do ░░░░░░░░ think that is Just ░░░░░░░░ of interest Because interesting ░░░░░░░░ selection of guests because ░░░░░░░░ re like the world ░░░░░░░░ number one podcast Rogan ░░░░░░░░ it s not I ░░░░░░░░ t think about it ░░░░░░░░ way I just think ░░░░░░░░ d like to talk ░░░░░░░░ this person MURRAY But ░░░░░░░░ I just I mean ░░░░░░░░ s your show but ░░░░░░░░ Sure sure MURRAY If ░░░░░░░░ re going to interview ░░░░░░░░ of the conflict or ░░░░░░░░ in general why would ░░░░░░░░ get somebody like Ian ░░░░░░░░ or Rogan Yeah but ░░░░░░░░ Carroll I didn t ░░░░░░░░ him on for that ░░░░░░░░ I brought him one ░░░░░░░░ I wanted to find ░░░░░░░░ like how does one ░░░░░░░░ involved in the whole ░░░░░░░░ theory business Because his ░░░░░░░░ thing is just conspiracies ░░░░░░░░ Sure Rogan You know ░░░░░░░░ But do you have ░░░░░░░░ I mean there s ░░░░░░░░ a tilt in the ░░░░░░░░ both conversations in the ░░░░░░░░ couple years and it ░░░░░░░░ largely to do with ░░░░░░░░ who have appointed themselves ░░░░░░░░ who are not experts ░░░░░░░░ You mean like Ian ░░░░░░░░ don t think he ░░░░░░░░ himself an expert in ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY Who s that ░░░░░░░░ dude who thinks he ░░░░░░░░ an expert on Churchill ░░░░░░░░ Darryl Rogan Oh Darryl ░░░░░░░░ does not think he ░░░░░░░░ an expert Smith In ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ else that s always ░░░░░░░░ him an expert and ░░░░░░░░ s like Oh I ░░░░░░░░ just a history nerd ░░░░░░░░ Have you ever absorbed ░░░░░░░░ of his material Have ░░░░░░░░ ever consumed any of ░░░░░░░░ podcasts or anything like ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY I tried Rogan ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY It s pretty ░░░░░░░░ to listen to somebody ░░░░░░░░ says I don t ░░░░░░░░ what I m talking ░░░░░░░░ but now I m ░░░░░░░░ talk or I don ░░░░░░░░ know about this or ░░░░░░░░ m not capable of ░░░░░░░░ this historian but I ░░░░░░░░ gonna just tell you ░░░░░░░░ I think Smith Yeah ░░░░░░░░ that s not exactly ░░░░░░░░ s not exactly what ░░░░░░░░ was saying I mean ░░░░░░░░ s point of view ░░░░░░░░ you feel about this ░░░░░░░░ Darryl saying is he ░░░░░░░░ t really like doing ░░░░░░░░ He likes to do ░░░░░░░░ format stuff where he ░░░░░░░░ really explain his position ░░░░░░░░ But if you throw ░░░░░░░░ lot of sh t ░░░░░░░░ there there s some ░░░░░░░░ at which I m ░░░░░░░░ raising questions is not ░░░░░░░░ valid thing You re ░░░░░░░░ raising questions You re ░░░░░░░░ asking questions You re ░░░░░░░░ people something Rogan You ░░░░░░░░ Darryl s doing that ░░░░░░░░ I think there s ░░░░░░░░ whole bunch of guys ░░░░░░░░ that I think Dave ░░░░░░░░ doing that very obviously ░░░░░░░░ s a comedian but ░░░░░░░░ s now mainly talking ░░░░░░░░ Israel Rogan No No ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ I m mainly talking ░░░░░░░░ Israel I have opinions ░░░░░░░░ That s all I ░░░░░░░░ you on the internet ░░░░░░░░ Smith Well that might ░░░░░░░░ what you ve seen ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ s MURRAY But that ░░░░░░░░ also your shtick now ░░░░░░░░ t it Smith What ░░░░░░░░ you mean by that ░░░░░░░░ my shtick MURRAY Well ░░░░░░░░ re not a geopolitics ░░░░░░░░ in general are you ░░░░░░░░ I don t even ░░░░░░░░ exactly what you re ░░░░░░░░ MURRAY I mean you ░░░░░░░░ decided being a comedian ░░░░░░░░ ve decided now to ░░░░░░░░ somebody who talks about ░░░░░░░░ and the conflict Rogan ░░░░░░░░ think you re incorrect ░░░░░░░░ don t think it ░░░░░░░░ a decision I just ░░░░░░░░ you have long form ░░░░░░░░ multiple of them It ░░░░░░░░ a huge event it ░░░░░░░░ in the news so ░░░░░░░░ comes up MURRAY I ░░░░░░░░ but the thing Rogan ░░░░░░░░ think If you re ░░░░░░░░ the outside you say ░░░░░░░░ look they re trying ░░░░░░░░ get attention by talking ░░░░░░░░ this very polarizing issue ░░░░░░░░ That s not MURRAY ░░░░░░░░ you do get attention ░░░░░░░░ that If you had ░░░░░░░░ the last year speaking ░░░░░░░░ Myanmar you d not ░░░░░░░░ on my lips or ░░░░░░░░ lot of people s ░░░░░░░░ He does talk about ░░░░░░░░ constantly he talks about ░░░░░░░░ lot of things that ░░░░░░░░ t in the news ░░░░░░░░ Smith I tend to ░░░░░░░░ about the conflicts that ░░░░░░░░ government is directly involved ░░░░░░░░ which I think is ░░░░░░░░ to me But I ░░░░░░░░ t quite get like ░░░░░░░░ s all the appeal ░░░░░░░░ authority stuff I mean ░░░░░░░░ you have to be ░░░░░░░░ expert or MURRAY No ░░░░░░░░ think authority matters And ░░░░░░░░ think that if you ░░░░░░░░ throw a lot of ░░░░░░░░ t out there and ░░░░░░░░ say I m not ░░░░░░░░ in the alternative views ░░░░░░░░ this and particularly when ░░░░░░░░ s the counter narrative ░░░░░░░░ is wildly off and ░░░░░░░░ you get people look ░░░░░░░░ just feel we should ░░░░░░░░ it out straight away ░░░░░░░░ feel you ve opened ░░░░░░░░ door to quite lot ░░░░░░░░ people you ve now ░░░░░░░░ a big platform who ░░░░░░░░ been throwing out counter ░░░░░░░░ stuff of a very ░░░░░░░░ kind.”