RUSH TRANSCRIPT The streets ░░░░░░░░ our next two guests ░░░░░░░░ rubin and norm eisen ░░░░░░░░ the cost of speaking ░░░░░░░░ Together they launched a ░░░░░░░░ outlet designed to combat ░░░░░░░░ and they spent yesterday ░░░░░░░░ those protests Joining me ░░░░░░░░ are Jen rubin and ░░░░░░░░ eisen the Founders of ░░░░░░░░ contrarian a media outlet ░░░░░░░░ on authoritarianism Jen let ░░░░░░░░ start with you Tell ░░░░░░░░ about your experience at ░░░░░░░░ hands off protest and ░░░░░░░░ you think the political ░░░░░░░░ effect of these kinds ░░░░░░░░ coordinated but localized protests ░░░░░░░░ be going forward I ░░░░░░░░ we saw a tremendous ░░░░░░░░ Enthusiasm and outpouring in ░░░░░░░░ reporting talking to the ░░░░░░░░ and the both the ░░░░░░░░ and the supporters it ░░░░░░░░ evident that the organizers ░░░░░░░░ only do so much ░░░░░░░░ then the supporters take ░░░░░░░░ And that s why ░░░░░░░░ saw over 1200 separate ░░░░░░░░ and the homemade signs ░░░░░░░░ enthusiasm old and young ░░░░░░░░ think because Trump has ░░░░░░░░ after everyone and everything ░░░░░░░░ now have A shared ░░░░░░░░ Of purpose Someone may ░░░░░░░░ concerned about Social Security ░░░░░░░░ person may be concerned ░░░░░░░░ NIH grants But we ░░░░░░░░ all in this together ░░░░░░░░ I think that has ░░░░░░░░ a galvanizing effect Norm ░░░░░░░░ Not only covered the ░░░░░░░░ on the national mall ░░░░░░░░ you also spoke at ░░░░░░░░ and we have some ░░░░░░░░ Let s take a ░░░░░░░░ and we ll talk ░░░░░░░░ the other side So ░░░░░░░░ we Don t have ░░░░░░░░ sound right now but ░░░░░░░░ you can tell me ░░░░░░░░ you saw and what ░░░░░░░░ said and what you ░░░░░░░░ away from your experience ░░░░░░░░ the national mall yesterday ░░░░░░░░ for having me And ░░░░░░░░ Was speaking at the ░░░░░░░░ In my Capacity as ░░░░░░░░ Litigator with The other ░░░░░░░░ who you See up ░░░░░░░░ are wonderful partners And ░░░░░░░░ message to the Crowd ░░░░░░░░ that American democracy Is ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump s flood ░░░░░░░░ zone approach with rule ░░░░░░░░ law shock and awe ░░░░░░░░ are two Lawsuits for ░░░░░░░░ illegitimate action he takes ░░░░░░░░ we ve been winning ░░░░░░░░ court And you see ░░░░░░░░ Trump lashing out in ░░░░░░░░ To those court victories ░░░░░░░░ attacking Lawyers Attacking me ░░░░░░░░ and his administration have ░░░░░░░░ times taken Away My ░░░░░░░░ Clearance In my capacity ░░░░░░░░ the chief litigator over ░░░░░░░░ the State democracy defenders ░░░░░░░░ I think he takes ░░░░░░░░ away I told the ░░░░░░░░ And then he turns ░░░░░░░░ back on so he ░░░░░░░░ Take it away Again ░░░░░░░░ he s losing so ░░░░░░░░ He wants To scratch ░░░░░░░░ itch So there s ░░░░░░░░ To fear We ve ░░░░░░░░ That democracy Is stronger ░░░░░░░░ these massive crowds across ░░░░░░░░ country and around the ░░░░░░░░ We re part of ░░░░░░░░ message So Jen We ░░░░░░░░ been talking about the ░░░░░░░░ between the opposition to ░░░░░░░░ first Trump Administration and ░░░░░░░░ we re seeing emerge ░░░░░░░░ the second administration I ░░░░░░░░ to read a little ░░░░░░░░ from that Atlantic piece ░░░░░░░░ we quoted in the ░░░░░░░░ It says Trump s ░░░░░░░░ win was a shock ░░░░░░░░ liberals expecting to inaugurate ░░░░░░░░ first female president His ░░░░░░░░ to win the popular ░░░░░░░░ made his election feel ░░░░░░░░ even illegitimate and powerful ░░░░░░░░ even a number of ░░░░░░░░ were ready to stand ░░░░░░░░ to Trump s overreach ░░░░░░░░ of this created a ░░░░░░░░ that there was a ░░░░░░░░ that protests could push ░░░░░░░░ None of these factors ░░░░░░░░ in 2025 Trump is ░░░░░░░░ a surprise He won ░░░░░░░░ popular vote and both ░░░░░░░░ party and the business ░░░░░░░░ are fully on his ░░░░░░░░ How do you think ░░░░░░░░ factors change the dynamics ░░░░░░░░ protest in this second ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ don t believe all ░░░░░░░░ gloom and doom It ░░░░░░░░ not what I see ░░░░░░░░ don t see protesters ░░░░░░░░ I don t see ░░░░░░░░ sense of reticence or ░░░░░░░░ What they are seeing ░░░░░░░░ full fledged dictatorship He ░░░░░░░░ he was going to ░░░░░░░░ a dictator on day ░░░░░░░░ and he is So ░░░░░░░░ some ways I think ░░░░░░░░ we are seeing a ░░░░░░░░ more personalized version of ░░░░░░░░ Every single person in ░░░░░░░░ is affected in some ░░░░░░░░ if nothing by the ░░░░░░░░ market crash and the ░░░░░░░░ tariffs that were enacted ░░░░░░░░ people are turning out ░░░░░░░░ that reason too So ░░░░░░░░ think although the election ░░░░░░░░ certainly a huge disappointment ░░░░░░░░ shock to some people ░░░░░░░░ are not sitting back ░░░░░░░░ re not hiding under ░░░░░░░░ beds And I think ░░░░░░░░ press frankly hasn t ░░░░░░░░ covered the mainstream The ░░░░░░░░ the billionaire press has ░░░░░░░░ really covered the full ░░░░░░░░ of the anger and ░░░░░░░░ widespread determination of the ░░░░░░░░ people So I think ░░░░░░░░ is just the beginning ░░░░░░░░ think it s just ░░░░░░░░ to build Norm has ░░░░░░░░ expression that I love ░░░░░░░░ is we win in ░░░░░░░░ court of law and ░░░░░░░░ win in the court ░░░░░░░░ public opinion Well norm ░░░░░░░░ of public opinion based ░░░░░░░░ the reporting that we ░░░░░░░░ seen in some of ░░░░░░░░ footage that we just ░░░░░░░░ you can see that ░░░░░░░░ s not just hardcore ░░░░░░░░ who are showing up ░░░░░░░░ These are ordinary people ░░░░░░░░ veterans people from all ░░░░░░░░ the political spectrum What ░░░░░░░░ that say about this ░░░░░░░░ the fact that so ░░░░░░░░ people are organized and ░░░░░░░░ in this moment where ░░░░░░░░ feels like government overreach ░░░░░░░░ really reached a tipping ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump tried to ░░░░░░░░ a Knockout punch of ░░░░░░░░ democracy and in part ░░░░░░░░ of These over 200 ░░░░░░░░ Cases the dozens of ░░░░░░░░ orders That we ve ░░░░░░░░ Including at State democracy ░░░░░░░░ fund where I litigate ░░░░░░░░ slowed That push And ░░░░░░░░ s The first Guardrail ░░░░░░░░ courts The Rule of ░░░░░░░░ But what We re ░░░░░░░░ Now is The second ░░░░░░░░ third guardrails of democracy ░░░░░░░░ tree tops These Congressional ░░░░░░░░ Coming back So strong ░░░░░░░░ events Like the Big ░░░░░░░░ in Wisconsin A 10 ░░░░░░░░ win This week for ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court justice who ░░░░░░░░ really in a referendum ░░░░░░░░ the popularity of Trump ░░░░░░░░ Musk They re hated ░░░░░░░░ that brings us to ░░░░░░░░ third guardrail which is ░░░░░░░░ public These mass mobilizations ░░░░░░░░ the Donald the danger ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump was that ░░░░░░░░ would boil the frog ░░░░░░░░ and I have studied ░░░░░░░░ all over the world ░░░░░░░░ the contrarian successful autocrats ░░░░░░░░ Turkey they go slow ░░░░░░░░ Trump microwave The frog ░░░░░░░░ when you see the ░░░░░░░░ At the protest yesterday ░░░░░░░░ Tesla dealerships and Republican ░░░░░░░░ halls these are hardcore ░░░░░░░░ who are turning out ░░░░░░░░ say hey you re ░░░░░░░░ our economy You re ░░░░░░░░ our quality of life ░░░░░░░░ food we eat the ░░░░░░░░ we wear the cars ░░░░░░░░ drive The homes we ░░░░░░░░ in It s all ░░░░░░░░ unsustainable I think Donald ░░░░░░░░ is failing in his ░░░░░░░░ to impose autocracy So ░░░░░░░░ out Democracy is Coming ░░░░░░░░ All right Jen norm ░░░░░░░░ Mentioned the Wisconsin election ░░░░░░░░ just happened last week ░░░░░░░░ the democratic candidate won ░░░░░░░░ despite Elon Musk s ░░░░░░░░ to pour money into ░░░░░░░░ election Well now Elon ░░░░░░░░ is parroting a claim ░░░░░░░░ yesterday s protests were ░░░░░░░░ for Wait for it ░░░░░░░░ quote Democrat billionaires funding ░░░░░░░░ uprisings And he says ░░░░░░░░ these billionaires should be ░░░░░░░░ legally accountable Do you ░░░░░░░░ the administration is going ░░░░░░░░ crack down on demonstrations ░░░░░░░░ this in the future ░░░░░░░░ what is the likely ░░░░░░░░ of the fear of ░░░░░░░░ or retribution going to ░░░░░░░░ for this kind of ░░░░░░░░ activism Every accusation From ░░░░░░░░ people is a confession ░░░░░░░░ only one who was ░░░░░░░░ to buy anything was ░░░░░░░░ Musk He wasted 20 ░░░░░░░░ and he lost and ░░░░░░░░ lost because ordinary people ░░░░░░░░ like crazy The great ░░░░░░░░ Wikler who s the ░░░░░░░░ chair of Wisconsin has ░░░░░░░░ army of people He ░░░░░░░░ about a campaign that ░░░░░░░░ 365 days a year ░░░░░░░░ frankly we would do ░░░░░░░░ better in the democracy ░░░░░░░░ if Elon Musk waited ░░░░░░░░ every election if he ░░░░░░░░ and jumped up and ░░░░░░░░ and made a fool ░░░░░░░░ himself from coast to ░░░░░░░░ as far as the ░░░░░░░░ of retaliation it let ░░░░░░░░ say it is real ░░░░░░░░ unfortunately the people who ░░░░░░░░ the most intimidated are ░░░░░░░░ elites Our elite law ░░░░░░░░ elite universities You know ░░░░░░░░ s not intimidated That ░░░░░░░░ the general public That ░░░░░░░░ why they re turning ░░░░░░░░ these people have something ░░░░░░░░ lose and what they ░░░░░░░░ to lose is their ░░░░░░░░ their freedom their sense ░░░░░░░░ community So yes I ░░░░░░░░ that there are a ░░░░░░░░ of screaming meemees in ░░░░░░░░ priced law firms around ░░░░░░░░ country and maybe some ░░░░░░░░ universities but for every ░░░░░░░░ of them there are ░░░░░░░░ maybe millions of Americans ░░░░░░░░ are pushing back So ░░░░░░░░ would hope that they ░░░░░░░░ look in the ivy ░░░░░░░░ and the you know ░░░░░░░░ of corporate America and ░░░░░░░░ owned media and get ░░░░░░░░ spine for goodness sakes ░░░░░░░░ some heart from people ░░░░░░░░ Cory Booker from norm ░░░░░░░░ the people out there ░░░░░░░░ are marching My goodness ░░░░░░░░ rest of America has ░░░░░░░░ out what this guy ░░░░░░░░ about It s time ░░░░░░░░ them to get into ░░░░░░░░ act too And maybe ░░░░░░░░ will They re followers ░░░░░░░░ leaders And maybe they ░░░░░░░░ follow the American people ░░░░░░░░ are out leading All ░░░░░░░░ the power of collective ░░░░░░░░ Thank you once again ░░░░░░░░ Rubin and norm eisen ░░░░░░░░ up on Friday,