‘I Can’t Get a Word In!’ Fox’s Martha MacCallum and Democratic Senator Brawl over Elon Musk

MacCALLUM Here s another ░░░░░░░░ Let s just play ░░░░░░░░ and then I want ░░░░░░░░ get your reaction to ░░░░░░░░ of these This is ░░░░░░░░ another member of the ░░░░░░░░ team from Bret Baier ░░░░░░░░ Special Report discussion with ░░░░░░░░ about what they were ░░░░░░░░ Let s listen to ░░░░░░░░ DOGE engineer on Social ░░░░░░░░ Clip starts MOGHADDASSI When ░░░░░░░░ want to change your ░░░░░░░░ account you can call ░░░░░░░░ Security We learned 40 ░░░░░░░░ the phone calls that ░░░░░░░░ get are from fraudsters ░░░░░░░░ There are over 15 ░░░░░░░░ people that are over ░░░░░░░░ age of 120 that ░░░░░░░░ marked as alive in ░░░░░░░░ Social Security system Musk ░░░░░░░░ what we re trying ░░░░░░░░ do is ensure that ░░░░░░░░ do receive their benefits ░░░░░░░░ the future You get ░░░░░░░░ your senior benefits if ░░░░░░░░ country is operating in ░░░░░░░░ healthy and competent way ░░░░░░░░ ends MacCALLUM Wre you ░░░░░░░░ shocked as I was ░░░░░░░░ you heard some of ░░░░░░░░ numbers some of the ░░░░░░░░ about how much fraud ░░░░░░░░ happening in Social Security ░░░░░░░░ COONS So Martha not ░░░░░░░░ do I not believe ░░░░░░░░ of what was just ░░░░░░░░ there but the Trump ░░░░░░░░ s acting administrator of ░░░░░░░░ Security has said that ░░░░░░░░ than one tenth of ░░░░░░░░ of the payments put ░░░░░░░░ by the Social Security ░░░░░░░░ are fraudulent or in ░░░░░░░░ Let s be clear ░░░░░░░░ some of the things ░░░░░░░░ were just played There ░░░░░░░░ people whose names are ░░░░░░░░ the roles as having ░░░░░░░░ born 150 or 200 ░░░░░░░░ ago They are not ░░░░░░░░ Social Security payments MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ don t think that ░░░░░░░░ true COONS Martha I ░░░░░░░░ just repeating back to ░░░░░░░░ what the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ Social Security administrator has ░░░░░░░░ about the percentage of ░░░░░░░░ in Social Security Part ░░░░░░░░ why I m alarmed ░░░░░░░░ Elon Musk and DOGE ░░░░░░░░ their getting into the ░░░░░░░░ and their getting the ░░░░░░░░ to the individual information ░░░░░░░░ millions of Americans is ░░░░░░░░ Elon Musk has made ░░░░░░░░ clear he thinks Social ░░░░░░░░ is a Ponzi scheme ░░░░░░░░ Ponzi scheme is itself ░░░░░░░░ fake criminal or illegal ░░░░░░░░ don t think Social ░░░░░░░░ is a Ponzi scheme ░░░░░░░░ think 70 million Americans ░░░░░░░░ on it for their ░░░░░░░░ source of income MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ But gee that s ░░░░░░░░ because in 10 years ░░░░░░░░ me ask you a ░░░░░░░░ Senator Let me ask ░░░░░░░░ a question You have ░░░░░░░░ a lot of points ░░░░░░░░ me ask you something ░░░░░░░░ you sound like you ░░░░░░░░ pretty okay with all ░░░░░░░░ agencies and how they ░░░░░░░░ So you say all ░░░░░░░░ millions of people depend ░░░░░░░░ Social Security so you ░░░░░░░░ t care about the ░░░░░░░░ that are going to ░░░░░░░░ get it because it ░░░░░░░░ going to be insolvent ░░░░░░░░ 10 years What have ░░░░░░░░ done what did Joe ░░░░░░░░ s and administration do ░░░░░░░░ find the waist fraud ░░░░░░░░ abuse in Social Security ░░░░░░░░ try to shore up ░░░░░░░░ important agency What did ░░░░░░░░ do Can you tell ░░░░░░░░ COONS Sure So first ░░░░░░░░ you are presuming widespread ░░░░░░░░ fraud and abuse in ░░░░░░░░ Security You haven t ░░░░░░░░ any credible evidence to ░░░░░░░░ that I don t ░░░░░░░░ what DOGE says about ░░░░░░░░ any federal agency but ░░░░░░░░ will believe what the ░░░░░░░░ says or the inspector ░░░░░░░░ or the administrator of ░░░░░░░░ Security MacCALLUM Why COONS ░░░░░░░░ I ve had seen ░░░░░░░░ folks from DOGE lie ░░░░░░░░ my face about other ░░░░░░░░ agencies where they claim ░░░░░░░░ have found widespread waste ░░░░░░░░ and abuse where previous ░░░░░░░░ did not find that ░░░░░░░░ fraud and abuse And ░░░░░░░░ administration Martha fired the ░░░░░░░░ general of USAID when ░░░░░░░░ filed complaints about the ░░░░░░░░ of huge amounts of ░░░░░░░░ aid left rotting on ░░░░░░░░ Rather than dealing with ░░░░░░░░ fraud they fired him ░░░░░░░░ I m amazed by ░░░░░░░░ you are saying that ░░░░░░░░ m assuming that there ░░░░░░░░ waste fraud and abuse ░░░░░░░░ In Social Security MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ as surprising that you ░░░░░░░░ assuming that the government ░░░░░░░░ functioning in an efficient ░░░░░░░░ when we all know ░░░░░░░░ That s not what ░░░░░░░░ said That s not ░░░░░░░░ I said Martha there ░░░░░░░░ inspector generals in every ░░░░░░░░ agency that are there ░░░░░░░░ Oh I know I ░░░░░░░░ They have done a ░░░░░░░░ bang up job I ░░░░░░░░ when you look at ░░░░░░░░ number COONS And to ░░░░░░░░ the administration by firing ░░░░░░░░ of them does not ░░░░░░░░ a deep interest in ░░░░░░░░ to these career nonpartisan ░░░░░░░░ general MacCALLUM I don ░░░░░░░░ know why you don ░░░░░░░░ want to hear it ░░░░░░░░ you can t just ░░░░░░░░ put your fingers in ░░░░░░░░ ear and go Blah ░░░░░░░░ blah it s not ░░░░░░░░ COONS That s not ░░░░░░░░ all what I m ░░░░░░░░ Martha Let me repeat ░░░░░░░░ point If Elon Musk ░░░░░░░░ that Social Security is ░░░░░░░░ Ponzi scheme and this ░░░░░░░░ has fired the relevant ░░░░░░░░ general who are the ░░░░░░░░ most capable not a ░░░░░░░░ of 20 year olds ░░░░░░░░ no previous experience MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ are they the most ░░░░░░░░ Did you watch this ░░░░░░░░ senator Did you watch ░░░░░░░░ interview Did you watch ░░░░░░░░ Did you watch the ░░░░░░░░ COONS Which interview I ░░░░░░░░ t know what you ░░░░░░░░ talking about You are ░░░░░░░░ so much MacCALLUM No ░░░░░░░░ can t because I ░░░░░░░░ t get a word ░░░░░░░░ edgewise I m trying ░░░░░░░░ ask you a question ░░░░░░░░ s my job COONS ░░░░░░░░ go right ahead MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ there was an excellent ░░░░░░░░ on Special Report these ░░░░░░░░ not 25 year old ░░░░░░░░ people have been calling ░░░░░░░░ They are very seasoned ░░░░░░░░ who have made a ░░░░░░░░ of money and run ░░░░░░░░ businesses efficiently where they ░░░░░░░░ use the number of ░░░░░░░░ to get the job ░░░░░░░░ that they needed They ░░░░░░░░ up their livelihood and ░░░░░░░░ COONS To suggest that ░░░░░░░░ Musk has run this ░░░░░░░░ rather than running into ░░░░░░░░ ground is to miss ░░░░░░░░ actual record of how ░░░░░░░░ has mismanaged the federal ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump has entrusted ░░░░░░░░ with Cross talk MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ okay it would be ░░░░░░░░ if both sides of ░░░░░░░░ because I remember there ░░░░░░░░ an active interest by ░░░░░░░░ in saying you know ░░░░░░░░ we know that there ░░░░░░░░ a lot of waste ░░░░░░░░ our government Now you ░░░░░░░░ telling me there isn ░░░░░░░░ COONS That is not ░░░░░░░░ all what I said ░░░░░░░░ said in Social Security ░░░░░░░░ current Trump Administration acting ░░░░░░░░ Security administrator has said ░░░░░░░░ less than one tenth ░░░░░░░░ 1 of the Social ░░░░░░░░ payments are being in ░░░░░░░░ not being sent to ░░░░░░░░ who are entitled to ░░░░░░░░ I agree with you ░░░░░░░░ there is waste and ░░░░░░░░ in different federal programs ░░░░░░░░ sign me up for ░░░░░░░░ in a measured bipartisan ░░░░░░░░ way about reducing I ░░░░░░░░ there are in Medicare ░░░░░░░░ example fraudulent payments MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ should talk to the ░░░░░░░░ on the panel because ░░░░░░░░ would be impressed with ░░░░░░░░ of them I would ░░░░░░░░ you respectfully to take ░░░░░░░░ look at this panel ░░░░░░░░ because I found it ░░░░░░░░ eye opening It s ░░░░░░░░ a bunch of nutty ░░░░░░░░ year olds as you ░░░░░░░░ they are actually quite ░░░░░░░░ intelligent people who have ░░░░░░░░ great record So let ░░░░░░░░ ask you this If ░░░░░░░░ s been run so ░░░░░░░░ and it s working ░░░░░░░░ Social Security why will ░░░░░░░░ run out of money ░░░░░░░░ 10 years The whole ░░░░░░░░ is that the investment ░░░░░░░░ return And what are ░░░░░░░░ doing to make sure ░░░░░░░░ it s solvent for ░░░░░░░░ grandchildren and my grandchildren ░░░░░░░░ So Martha you already ░░░░░░░░ the answer for why ░░░░░░░░ is at least in ░░░░░░░░ accounting proposed to be ░░░░░░░░ in 2035 That means ░░░░░░░░ cannot pay the full ░░░░░░░░ that those who have ░░░░░░░░ their way into Social ░░░░░░░░ beneficiary status are entitled ░░░░░░░░ That s because there ░░░░░░░░ fewer people working and ░░░░░░░░ people living longer than ░░░░░░░░ model of the program ░░░░░░░░ for MacCALLUM Yes That ░░░░░░░░ been true for quite ░░░░░░░░ time COONS It s ░░░░░░░░ earned benefit but like ░░░░░░░░ that is an earned ░░░░░░░░ there are actuarial tables ░░░░░░░░ say We expect Chris ░░░░░░░░ to live to 70 ░░░░░░░░ instead people are living ░░░░░░░░ 80 MacCALLUM Yeah it ░░░░░░░░ would ve been nice ░░░░░░░░ someone had gotten to ░░░░░░░░ on that several years ░░░░░░░░ COONS They are receiving ░░░░░░░░ payments than the program ░░░░░░░░ modeled around There is ░░░░░░░░ only four levers for ░░░░░░░░ Social Security raising how ░░░░░░░░ of our income is ░░░░░░░░ by Social Security raising ░░░░░░░░ age of eligibility MacCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ None of what you ░░░░░░░░ saying was a shock ░░░░░░░░ the entire Biden Administration ░░░░░░░░ never heard anybody say ░░░░░░░░ they wanted to change ░░░░░░░░ system or maybe make ░░░░░░░░ slimmer or more efficient ░░░░░░░░ get rid of the ░░░░░░░░ in order to make ░░░░░░░░ last COONS There actually ░░░░░░░░ proposals rejected by Republicans ░░░░░░░░ There were proposals That ░░░░░░░░ comforting COONS Martha the ░░░░░░░░ is Democrats want to ░░░░░░░░ two changes Republicans want ░░░░░░░░ make two changes each ░░░░░░░░ doesn t like the ░░░░░░░░ s changes Raising the ░░░░░░░░ of eligibility or raising ░░░░░░░░ much of our income ░░░░░░░░ taxed for example two ░░░░░░░░ things that would improve ░░░░░░░░ solvency of Social Security ░░░░░░░░ decades Democrats want to ░░░░░░░░ one thing Republicans want ░░░░░░░░ do another MacCALLUM Understood ░░░░░░░░ have to go but ░░░░░░░░ am sure you agree ░░░░░░░░ someone is I will ░░░░░░░░ out for you how ░░░░░░░░ people are over the ░░░░░░░░ of 120 and they ░░░░░░░░ getting checks but if ░░░░░░░░ were the case you ░░░░░░░░ obviously think that that ░░░░░░░░ be considered waste correct ░░░░░░░░ If they are alive ░░░░░░░░ they re entitled to ░░░░░░░░ they should be getting ░░░░░░░░ MacCALLUM That would be ░░░░░░░░ COONS If they re ░░░░░░░░ MacCALLUM Okay we will ░░░░░░░░ digging I appreciate you ░░░░░░░░ here If they re ░░░░░░░░ Let s check on ░░░░░░░░ and see if they ░░░░░░░░ alive and we ll ░░░░░░░░ right back Thank you ░░░░░░░░ much Senator Always get ░░░░░░░░ talk to you Senator ░░░░░░░░ Coons from Delaware.”