RUSH TRANSCRIPT Tadalafil so ░░░░░░░░ last longer faster stronger ░░░░░░░░ See if Sparks Are ░░░░░░░░ for you We now ░░░░░░░░ to Trump s revenge ░░░░░░░░ against top law firms ░░░░░░░░ the United States Trump ░░░░░░░░ executive actions to punish ░░░░░░░░ law firms affiliated with ░░░░░░░░ clients terminating federal contracts ░░░░░░░░ suspending security clearances The ░░░░░░░░ already is having effect ░░░░░░░░ Washington Post reporting some ░░░░░░░░ firms are now refusing ░░░░░░░░ represent people who criticized ░░░░░░░░ Trump former Biden officials ░░░░░░░░ they can t find ░░░░░░░░ while volunteers and small ░░░░░░░░ say law firms that ░░░░░░░░ backed them are now ░░░░░░░░ steering clear Washington Post ░░░░░░░░ this quote an extraordinary ░░░░░░░░ to fundamental constitutional rights ░░░░░░░░ due process and legal ░░░░░░░░ Trump now authorizing the ░░░░░░░░ general to sanction lawyers ░░░░░░░░ file suits against his ░░░░░░░░ that Trump officials deem ░░░░░░░░ I just think that ░░░░░░░░ law firms have to ░░░░░░░░ themselves They behave very ░░░░░░░░ very wrongly And I ░░░░░░░░ the one You know ░░░░░░░░ are the biggest firms ░░░░░░░░ they all came back ░░░░░░░░ that they did wrong ░░░░░░░░ that s why they ░░░░░░░░ doing this So I ░░░░░░░░ think they have to ░░░░░░░░ One of those firms ░░░░░░░░ Weiss now catching heat ░░░░░░░░ bending the knee in ░░░░░░░░ stunning move agreeing to ░░░░░░░░ 40 million in pro ░░░░░░░░ legal services to causes ░░░░░░░░ Trump has championed All ░░░░░░░░ this is prompting an ░░░░░░░░ at another major law ░░░░░░░░ to resign unless her ░░░░░░░░ committed to resisting Trump ░░░░░░░░ cohen sharing her letter ░░░░░░░░ a post that quickly ░░░░░░░░ viral writing quote do ░░░░░░░░ pretend that what is ░░░░░░░░ is normal or excusable ░░░░░░░░ isn t if being ░░░░░░░░ this career path demands ░░░░░░░░ accept that my industry ░░░░░░░░ allow an authoritarian government ░░░░░░░░ ignore the courts I ░░░░░░░░ to take it any ░░░░░░░░ Joining me now is ░░░░░░░░ associate Rachel cohen and ░░░░░░░░ McQuade former U S ░░░░░░░░ and MSNBC legal analyst ░░░░░░░░ you so much both ░░░░░░░░ you for joining us ░░░░░░░░ evening Rachel I want ░░░░░░░░ personally thank you I ░░░░░░░░ to thank you as ░░░░░░░░ American for your strength ░░░░░░░░ your integrity Just take ░░░░░░░░ a little bit through ░░░░░░░░ thought process Look people ░░░░░░░░ really hard to get ░░░░░░░░ the positions that you ░░░░░░░░ in to step down ░░░░░░░░ say I can t ░░░░░░░░ this anymore If we ░░░░░░░░ not going to fight ░░░░░░░░ truth for justice for ░░░░░░░░ and democracy was a ░░░░░░░░ step Take us how ░░░░░░░░ got there Thanks so ░░░░░░░░ for having me Understand ░░░░░░░░ that this effort and ░░░░░░░░ my resignation Has been ░░░░░░░░ one step in an ░░░░░░░░ path of myself And ░░░░░░░░ Other associates in the ░░░░░░░░ trying to speak out ░░░░░░░░ kind of proactively raise ░░░░░░░░ Alarm about what the ░░░░░░░░ Administration is doing because ░░░░░░░░ of those things That ░░░░░░░░ outlined before I came ░░░░░░░░ are true and terrible ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration is trying ░░░░░░░░ intimidate People out Of ░░░░░░░░ Representations that challenge it ░░░░░░░░ re having a lot ░░░░░░░░ trouble Getting law Firm ░░░░░░░░ bono partners to join ░░░░░░░░ public interest organizations on ░░░░░░░░ things But it s ░░░░░░░░ worse than that actually ░░░░░░░░ it or not because ░░░░░░░░ goes beyond just challenging ░░░░░░░░ administration The administration has ░░░░░░░░ clearly telegraphing that they ░░░░░░░░ trying to intimidate people ░░░░░░░░ of doing much wider ░░░░░░░░ representation than that and ░░░░░░░░ ll try to come ░░░░░░░░ to that in a ░░░░░░░░ but I just want ░░░░░░░░ name that There was ░░░░░░░░ huge kind of open ░░░░░░░░ movement before I tendered ░░░░░░░░ resignation that I and ░░░░░░░░ other associates tried to ░░░░░░░░ in which we actually ░░░░░░░░ I think we put ░░░░░░░░ live on March 10th ░░░░░░░░ the Trump Administration would ░░░░░░░░ after things like immigration ░░░░░░░░ bono representation And so ░░░░░░░░ ve been advocating not ░░░░░░░░ in my own firm ░░░░░░░░ across the industry to ░░░░░░░░ to get the law ░░░░░░░░ to come together and ░░░░░░░░ stand up for the ░░░░░░░░ of law No one ░░░░░░░░ to be first mover ░░░░░░░░ I think that s ░░░░░░░░ why you have a ░░░░░░░░ year associate or about ░░░░░░░░ be former third year ░░░░░░░░ on your show but ░░░░░░░░ Really wanted to go ░░░░░░░░ the proper channels and ░░░░░░░░ people in power a ░░░░░░░░ to kind of review ░░░░░░░░ evidence reach the same ░░░░░░░░ and act And once ░░░░░░░░ Weiss announced that they ░░░░░░░░ decided to act but ░░░░░░░░ act by caving to ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration I realized ░░░░░░░░ again it was time ░░░░░░░░ another proactive move because ░░░░░░░░ my individual firm had ░░░░░░░░ cooperated with the Trump ░░░░░░░░ it was clear that ░░░░░░░░ were getting the runaround ░░░░░░░░ And when I talked ░░░░░░░░ friends at other law ░░░░░░░░ they were getting the ░░░░░░░░ kind of non answers ░░░░░░░░ think it s imperative ░░░░░░░░ people act before the ░░░░░░░░ thing happens And I ░░░░░░░░ that the window in ░░░░░░░░ I could act before ░░░░░░░░ firm or additional firms ░░░░░░░░ bending the knee to ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration was was ░░░░░░░░ then Rachel you know ░░░░░░░░ s been some interesting ░░░░░░░░ over the last really ░░░░░░░░ was first report last ░░░░░░░░ earlier this week that ░░░░░░░░ school applications have skyrocketed ░░░░░░░░ You have you have ░░░░░░░░ profile law schools that ░░░░░░░░ received their largest number ░░░░░░░░ applications People are excited ░░░░░░░░ part of that I ░░░░░░░░ as a faculty member ░░░░░░░░ young people think well ░░░░░░░░ s where the resistance ░░░░░░░░ right The courts are ░░░░░░░░ to be the future ░░░░░░░░ what you re telling ░░░░░░░░ is all of these ░░░░░░░░ ambitious lawyers if the ░░░░░░░░ that they go work ░░░░░░░░ have already acquiesced to ░░░░░░░░ administration then their desire ░░░░░░░░ create change is not ░░░░░░░░ to happen That s ░░░░░░░░ what you re saying ░░░░░░░░ think that that s ░░░░░░░░ much true though I ░░░░░░░░ say there s plenty ░░░░░░░░ really principled public interest ░░░░░░░░ that do that work ░░░░░░░░ of large corporate law ░░░░░░░░ I think that that ░░░░░░░░ an element of strategy ░░░░░░░░ that we re targeting ░░░░░░░░ that are a bit ░░░░░░░░ risk averse a bit ░░░░░░░░ prestige driven and likely ░░░░░░░░ go to these large ░░░░░░░░ law firms that pay ░░░░░░░░ well And lots of ░░░░░░░░ interest is extremely competitive ░░░░░░░░ well But kind of ░░░░░░░░ these pinnacle organizations I ░░░░░░░░ to read books where ░░░░░░░░ arps would get name ░░░░░░░░ as kind of a ░░░░░░░░ element to hat tip ░░░░░░░░ someone was very successful ░░░░░░░░ they worked there And ░░░░░░░░ you have these very ░░░░░░░░ people going and expecting ░░░░░░░░ at minimum these law ░░░░░░░░ will stand up for ░░░░░░░░ legal system itself because ░░░░░░░░ s what I think ░░░░░░░░ stakes are here Barbara ░░░░░░░░ want to play you ░░░░░░░░ sound bite from Steve ░░░░░░░░ He s talking about ░░░░░░░░ s goal here And ░░░░░░░░ your thoughts on the ░░░░░░░░ side He s going ░░░░░░░░ perkins coie and covington ░░░░░░░░ to cut them off ░░░░░░░░ re not going to ░░░░░░░░ walking around making four ░░░░░░░░ five 6 million bucks ░░░░░░░░ year Because he s ░░░░░░░░ to put those law ░░░░░░░░ out of business Let ░░░░░░░░ repeat this There s ░░░░░░░░ law firms in Washington ░░░░░░░░ C And our what ░░░░░░░░ are trying To do ░░░░░░░░ put you out of ░░░░░░░░ and bankrupt you just ░░░░░░░░ you understand it Barbara ░░░░░░░░ just want to say ░░░░░░░░ front that for an ░░░░░░░░ to have a goal ░░░░░░░░ bankrupting any kind of ░░░░░░░░ right should in and ░░░░░░░░ itself be seen as ░░░░░░░░ problem Right Especially given ░░░░░░░░ this is an administration ░░░░░░░░ cares about jobs and ░░░░░░░░ else like that But ░░░░░░░░ idea of specifically targeting ░░░░░░░░ interest firms to bankrupt ░░░░░░░░ is is is problematic ░░░░░░░░ so many levels Just ░░░░░░░░ about what that means ░░░░░░░░ that to be such ░░░░░░░░ openly stated goal Yeah ░░░░░░░░ s absolutely horrifying It ░░░░░░░░ anti competitive It is ░░░░░░░░ capitalism And it s ░░░░░░░░ American To go After ░░░░░░░░ firm simply out of ░░░░░░░░ that they have represented ░░░░░░░░ that are opposed to ░░░░░░░░ Trump And if you ░░░░░░░░ at the bulk of ░░░░░░░░ work that these firms ░░░░░░░░ I mean covington and ░░░░░░░░ perkins coie Paul Weiss ░░░░░░░░ now today jenner and ░░░░░░░░ they Represent the gamut ░░░░░░░░ clients But if they ░░░░░░░░ even one client that ░░░░░░░░ Trump doesn t like ░░░░░░░░ whole firm is out ░░░░░░░░ business I think the ░░░░░░░░ telling response to these ░░░░░░░░ came in the form ░░░░░░░░ the order by judge ░░░░░░░░ Howell in the district ░░░░░░░░ Columbia who found that ░░░░░░░░ orders violate the First ░░░░░░░░ rights of these firms ░░░░░░░░ advocate for what they ░░░░░░░░ to associate with each ░░░░░░░░ and to associate with ░░░░░░░░ clients There s also ░░░░░░░░ sixth amendment right of ░░░░░░░░ clients to have representation ░░░░░░░░ it s terrible at ░░░░░░░░ levels which is why ░░░░░░░░ am very grateful to ░░░░░░░░ for standing up for ░░░░░░░░ principles And I m ░░░░░░░░ that as people see ░░░░░░░░ bending the knee the ░░░░░░░░ Paul Weiss did that ░░░░░░░░ capitulation did not stop ░░░░░░░░ Trump It just empowered ░░░░░░░░ to move on to ░░░░░░░░ next firm And so ░░░░░░░░ know if you re ░░░░░░░░ a big law firm ░░░░░░░░ t think you re ░░░░░░░░ to be spared by ░░░░░░░░ your head down You ░░░░░░░░ next And unless the ░░░░░░░░ stands up for all ░░░░░░░░ he s going to ░░░░░░░░ off each one one ░░░░░░░░ a time Barbara it ░░░░░░░░ amazing to Me to ░░░░░░░░ Rachel I m so ░░░░░░░░ Barbara I just wanted ░░░░░░░░ kind of uplift that ░░░░░░░░ of head down doing ░░░░░░░░ and point out that ░░░░░░░░ these firms are being ░░░░░░░░ for is not current ░░░░░░░░ It s things they ░░░░░░░░ in Donald Trump s ░░░░░░░░ term So what is ░░░░░░░░ going to get you ░░░░░░░░ You already did the ░░░░░░░░ that he s punishing ░░░░░░░░ for Barbara I want ░░░░░░░░ follow up with that ░░░░░░░░ I think Rachel makes ░░░░░░░░ excellent point My thought ░░░░░░░░ these are law firms ░░░░░░░░ have history They have ░░░░░░░░ They can look at ░░░░░░░░ s happened in the ░░░░░░░░ Why would any credible ░░░░░░░░ firm think that acquiescing ░░░░░░░░ a bully in advance ░░░░░░░░ It never works This ░░░░░░░░ the most Lucy in ░░░░░░░░ football kind of mentality ░░░░░░░░ ve ever seen in ░░░░░░░░ life Why do you ░░░░░░░░ any of these elite ░░░░░░░░ or these elite law ░░░░░░░░ think that Trump will ░░░░░░░░ them alone if they ░░░░░░░░ anything Yeah I don ░░░░░░░░ know They clearly are ░░░░░░░░ careful students of history ░░░░░░░░ think that it is ░░░░░░░░ tempting to give the ░░░░░░░░ your lunch money and ░░░░░░░░ him go away right ░░░░░░░░ but you re not ░░░░░░░░ About the long Term ░░░░░░░░ because when you give ░░░░░░░░ your your money you ░░░░░░░░ teaching him that he ░░░░░░░░ come back tomorrow and ░░░░░░░░ your money again And ░░░░░░░░ if these firms were ░░░░░░░░ attention to things other ░░░░░░░░ the bottom line keeping ░░░░░░░░ clients keeping their book ░░░░░░░░ business keeping everybody happy ░░░░░░░░ content with their large ░░░░░░░░ I think they would ░░░░░░░░ that long term this ░░░░░░░░ going to be detrimental ░░░░░░░░ the industry to their ░░░░░░░░ and likely to them ░░░░░░░░ There s no escaping ░░░░░░░░ And you know nobody ░░░░░░░░ to stick their neck ░░░░░░░░ and be the first ░░░░░░░░ there is value in ░░░░░░░░ power If groups join ░░░░░░░░ and speak out it ░░░░░░░░ far more difficult for ░░░░░░░░ to retaliate against any ░░░░░░░░ individual And that s ░░░░░░░░ the strength lies That ░░░░░░░░ why I appreciate the ░░░░░░░░ like the one Rachel ░░░░░░░░ leading and I am ░░░░░░░░ that firms will see ░░░░░░░░ light and realize that ░░░░░░░░ no one is there ░░░░░░░░ speak up for the ░░░░░░░░ and the trade unions ░░░░░░░░ re going to be ░░░░░░░░ Right Look when you ░░░░░░░░ the when you give ░░░░░░░░ bully your