RUSH TRANSCRIPT Here is ░░░░░░░░ stark opening Line of ░░░░░░░░ new piece in Politico ░░░░░░░░ the growing Battle Between ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump and the ░░░░░░░░ a once unthinkable question ░░░░░░░░ harder to shrug off ░░░░░░░░ the administration deliberately defy ░░░░░░░░ judges if it doesn ░░░░░░░░ get what it wants ░░░░░░░░ eisen is back with ░░░░░░░░ Yeah I think that ░░░░░░░░ to the heart of ░░░░░░░░ of the question that ░░░░░░░░ find ourselves in right ░░░░░░░░ norm is and everybody ░░░░░░░░ of sitting around I ░░░░░░░░ to the other day ░░░░░░░░ know sort of with ░░░░░░░░ popcorn waiting to see ░░░░░░░░ will Trump defy the ░░░░░░░░ Well he s already ░░░░░░░░ doing that I mean ░░░░░░░░ And that s something ░░░░░░░░ judge boasberg in the ░░░░░░░░ case has been frustrated ░░░░░░░░ noting you know as ░░░░░░░░ goes into their woefully ░░░░░░░░ response judge boasberg wrote ░░░░░░░░ a three page ruling ░░░░░░░░ the government again evaded ░░░░░░░░ obligations to provide information ░░░░░░░░ he had been demanding ░░░░░░░░ days about the timing ░░░░░░░░ the Saturday flights President ░░░░░░░░ Trump had invoked the ░░░░░░░░ used law to deport ░░░░░░░░ the administration claimed were ░░░░░░░░ of a venezuelan gang ░░░░░░░░ a foreign terrorist organizations ░░░░░░░░ individuals are saying I ░░░░░░░░ not and of course ░░░░░░░░ s no due process ░░░░░░░░ place for them to ░░░░░░░░ that they re not ░░░░░░░░ yet the administration still ░░░░░░░░ not done what the ░░░░░░░░ has asked them to ░░░░░░░░ And we re over ░░░░░░░░ week now How long ░░░░░░░░ a judge go before ░░░░░░░░ behind winds up in ░░░░░░░░ for contempt Judge boasberg ░░░░░░░░ wisely Building the Record ░░░░░░░░ Typically what judges Will ░░░░░░░░ When there s an ░░░░░░░░ of contempt most Is ░░░░░░░░ will Establish the Wrongdoing ░░░░░░░░ then they give the ░░░░░░░░ a chance to correct ░░░░░░░░ was there in Donald ░░░░░░░░ s criminal trial where ░░░░░░░░ Was convicted on those ░░░░░░░░ felonies I was there ░░░░░░░░ day I was covering ░░░░░░░░ The judge there gave ░░░░░░░░ opportunity after opportunity to ░░░░░░░░ Then he started elevating ░░░░░░░░ pressure He started finding ░░░░░░░░ Finally he said if ░░░░░░░░ do it again attacking ░░░░░░░░ in the case and ░░░░░░░░ if you do it ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ no choice but to ░░░░░░░░ you behind bars And ░░░░░░░░ Trump stopped So I ░░░░░░░░ what we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ is a dance With ░░░░░░░░ courts Right And You ░░░░░░░░ They they It s ░░░░░░░░ when my Dad was ░░░░░░░░ kid And she tell ░░░░░░░░ don t have those ░░░░░░░░ before dinner And then ░░░░░░░░ go in the kitchen ░░░░░░░░ d be there like ░░░░░░░░ a guilty look on ░░░░░░░░ face and crumbs all ░░░░░░░░ They don t want ░░░░░░░░ Say we re Defiant ░░░░░░░░ But they are pushing ░░░░░░░░ It s a contemptuous ░░░░░░░░ They re leaning into ░░░░░░░░ And the judge I ░░░░░░░░ also does not want ░░░░░░░░ stimulate a constitutional crisis ░░░░░░░░ that s what s ░░░░░░░░ on now in that ░░░░░░░░ and in many others ░░░░░░░░ norm what then happens ░░░░░░░░ in fact the whether ░░░░░░░░ s this judge or ░░░░░░░░ judge because I m ░░░░░░░░ of bushra khatib that ░░░░░░░░ just had sitting here ░░░░░░░░ s a fire she ░░░░░░░░ fired from NIH who ░░░░░░░░ a writer She was ░░░░░░░░ Now she s back ░░░░░░░░ probation because of the ░░░░░░░░ that one of the ░░░░░░░░ and the and the ░░░░░░░░ that you all have ░░░░░░░░ doing But she said ░░░░░░░░ don t have their ░░░░░░░░ don t have their ░░░░░░░░ back there They re ░░░░░░░░ to be reinstated but ░░░░░░░░ highly doubt that they ░░░░░░░░ be reinstated So one ░░░░░░░░ argue that s in ░░░░░░░░ of the court order ░░░░░░░░ let s just say ░░░░░░░░ happens when the government ░░░░░░░░ found in violation and ░░░░░░░░ re held in contempt ░░░░░░░░ is the recourse from ░░░░░░░░ judge Because in this ░░░░░░░░ to enforce the contempt ░░░░░░░░ you know acts There ░░░░░░░░ a big debate Going ░░░░░░░░ in the legal profession ░░░░░░░░ Symone about what the ░░░░░░░░ is But I will ░░░░░░░░ You because we Have ░░░░░░░░ Issue in our big ░░░░░░░░ employee reinstatement case which ░░░░░░░░ re litigating with wonderful ░░░░░░░░ the labor movement and ░░░░░░░░ out in San Francisco ░░░░░░░░ reported to the judge ░░░░░░░░ it doesn t look ░░░░░░░░ there s full compliance ░░░░░░░░ s some not more ░░░░░░░░ then the judge demands ░░░░░░░░ information Evidence briefing courts ░░░░░░░░ a lot of powers ░░░░░░░░ can hold you in ░░░░░░░░ contempt fines They can ░░░░░░░░ criminal contempt They can ░░░░░░░░ Criminal contempt would mean ░░░░░░░░ mean Prosecution referral It ░░░░░░░░ a referral for prosecution ░░░░░░░░ could be for the ░░░░░░░░ More often it s ░░░░░░░░ the clients the people ░░░░░░░░ the administration who are ░░░░░░░░ doing these things They ░░░░░░░░ This is in some ░░░░░░░░ is one of the ░░░░░░░░ devastating They can move ░░░░░░░░ you in the case ░░░░░░░░ can say well I ░░░░░░░░ going to rule against ░░░░░░░░ in the case You ░░░░░░░░ go up through the ░░░░░░░░ you go to the ░░░░░░░░ of Appeals you go ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court to ░░░░░░░░ them to endorse the ░░░░░░░░ Is Donald Trump going ░░░░░░░░ defy the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ the United States at ░░░░░░░░ point Look he s ░░░░░░░░ we talk about the ░░░░░░░░ of democracy Simone you ░░░░░░░░ right to be skeptical ░░░░░░░░ him He d do ░░░░░░░░ he can get away ░░░░░░░░ He s been banging ░░░░░░░░ that first guardrail The ░░░░░░░░ The litigation system litigants ░░░░░░░░ me bringing cases that ░░░░░░░░ has held He s ░░░░░░░░ most of these cases ░░░░░░░░ democratic judges and Republicans ░░░░░░░░ that loud banging has ░░░░░░░░ to wake up the ░░░░░░░░ class Hakeem Jeffries and ░░░░░░░░ caucus for example 99 ░░░░░░░░ of them voted against ░░░░░░░░ CR unity They re ░░░░░░░░ speaking at town halls ░░░░░░░░ and it s waking ░░░░░░░░ the American people We ░░░░░░░░ talking on the break ░░░░░░░░ s been twice as ░░░░░░░░ protests in 2025 as ░░░░░░░░ were in 2021 The ░░░░░░░░ where I m the ░░░░░░░░ we have a whole ░░░░░░░░ the democracy movement hundreds ░░░░░░░░ events happening every week ░░░░░░░░ it s going to ░░░░░░░░ a big peaceful lawful ░░░░░░░░ here in D C ░░░░░░░░ around the country April ░░░░░░░░ So you re starting ░░░░░░░░ see people wake up ░░░░░░░░ ll give you one ░░░░░░░░ example April 1st Supreme ░░░░░░░░ race in Wisconsin It ░░░░░░░░ been nationalized The theme ░░░░░░░░ Wisconsin is the people ░░░░░░░░ Elon Musk And you ░░░░░░░░ seeing high early voting ░░░░░░░░ rates because the loud ░░░░░░░░ on that first guardrail ░░░░░░░░ waking Up that race ░░░░░░░░ sure Norm Just real ░░░░░░░░ I want To ask ░░░░░░░░ because we got to ░░░░░░░░ Your security clearance was ░░░░░░░░ What does that mean ░░░░░░░░ you alicia Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ saying he s revoking ░░░░░░░░ security clearance And as ░░░░░░░░ of this it s ░░░░░░░░ third time as part ░░░░░░░░ this executive order on ░░░░░░░░ he did it again ░░░░░░░░ think he reinstates it ░░░░░░░░ time he revokes it ░░░░░░░░ he can take it ░░░░░░░░ Again it s a ░░░░░░░░ of weakness He s ░░░░░░░░ and he s lashing ░░░░░░░░ like a child having ░░░░░░░░ temper tantrum So it ░░░░░░░░ the same with these ░░░░░░░░ These orders are illusory ░░░░░░░░ he thinks he s ░░░░░░░░ to shut me up ░░░░░░░░ these kinds of things ░░░░░░░░ s got another thing ░░░░░░░░ I m just going ░░░░░░░░ keep filing even more ░░░░░░░░ It s funny losers ░░░░░░░░ lose and crimers do ░░░░░░░░ So here we are ░░░░░░░░ Norm eisen thank you ░░░░░░░░ much Always for joining ░░░░░░░░ At the table Next ░░░░░░░░ conversation Donald Trump does ░░░░░░░░ want us to have. 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