RUSH TRANSCRIPT Welcome back ░░░░░░░░ the weekend everybody So ░░░░░░░░ Trump is using the ░░░░░░░░ s bully pulpit to ░░░░░░░░ attorneys nationwide Now After ░░░░░░░░ of decrying The so ░░░░░░░░ weaponization Of the Justice ░░░░░░░░ Trump just directed attorney ░░░░░░░░ pam Bondi to quote ░░░░░░░░ Sanctions against attorneys and ░░░░░░░░ Firms who engage in ░░░░░░░░ unreasonable and vexatious litigation ░░░░░░░░ the United States or ░░░░░░░░ matters before executive departments ░░░░░░░░ Agencies of the United ░░░░░░░░ according to the Washington ░░░░░░░░ Legal experts fear the ░░░░░░░░ will allow the administration ░░░░░░░░ make claims Against litigators ░░░░░░░░ defending immigrants or challenging ░░░░░░░░ constitutionality of the administration ░░░░░░░░ actions At the same ░░░░░░░░ Trump Just rescinded a ░░░░░░░░ possibly Illegal executive order ░░░░░░░░ The Law firm Paul ░░░░░░░░ after the firm agreed ░░░░░░░░ a list of Trump ░░░░░░░░ including getting a whopping ░░░░░░░░ million Of free Legal ░░░░░░░░ to his preferred causes ░░░░░░░░ eliminating the firm s ░░░░░░░░ policies Yes the firm ░░░░░░░░ to eliminate its diversity ░░░░░░░░ because Trump told them ░░░░░░░░ The decision by Paul ░░░░░░░░ sent shock waves through ░░░░░░░░ corporate legal world with ░░░░░░░░ worrying that it emboldens ░░░░░░░░ administration and it does ░░░░░░░░ take similar action against ░░░░░░░░ firms Yes it will ░░░░░░░░ folks one lawyer told ░░░░░░░░ News The move was ░░░░░░░░ as craven and despicable ░░░░░░░░ decision as you will ░░░░░░░░ I could not agree ░░░░░░░░ Joining us now is ░░░░░░░░ special counsel to President ░░░░░░░░ and the executive chair ░░░░░░░░ the state democracy defenders ░░░░░░░░ the one and only ░░░░░░░░ eisen Norm Mark elias ░░░░░░░░ is the president of ░░░░░░░░ elias law group the ░░░░░░░░ firm put out a ░░░░░░░░ on Donald Trump s ░░░░░░░░ action on Saturday And ░░░░░░░░ reads in part this ░░░░░░░░ Trump s goal is ░░░░░░░░ he wants lawyers and ░░░░░░░░ firms to capitulate and ░░░░░░░░ until there is no ░░░░░░░░ left to oppose his ░░░░░░░░ in court Elias law ░░░░░░░░ will not be deterred ░░░░░░░░ fighting for democracy in ░░░░░░░░ There will be no ░░░░░░░░ with this White House ░░░░░░░░ the clients we represent ░░░░░░░░ the lawsuits we bring ░░░░░░░░ their behalf Our democracy ░░░░░░░░ in peril and the ░░░░░░░░ made by lawyers and ░░░░░░░░ firms may very well ░░░░░░░░ the future of the ░░░░░░░░ of law in the ░░░░░░░░ States I am so ░░░░░░░░ that Marc Elias put ░░░░░░░░ this statement I m ░░░░░░░░ for the work that ░░░░░░░░ do I m concerned ░░░░░░░░ we have not heard ░░░░░░░░ more firms more lawyers ░░░░░░░░ forcefully and more publicly ░░░░░░░░ know lawyers usually speak ░░░░░░░░ court but I think ░░░░░░░░ they need to get ░░░░░░░░ press release It s ░░░░░░░░ Symone the Law firms ░░░░░░░░ need to speak out ░░░░░░░░ we have to Understand ░░░░░░░░ have been very active ░░░░░░░░ court and they ve ░░░░░░░░ winning Why is Donald ░░░░░░░░ continually Pouring out attacks ░░░░░░░░ s lashing out because ░░░░░░░░ s losing I know ░░░░░░░░ Our organization state Democracy ░░░░░░░░ Fund alone Has brought ░░░░░░░░ worked On a Couple ░░░░░░░░ cases We re helping ░░░░░░░░ 25 000 Federal employees ░░░░░░░░ got a court order ░░░░░░░░ than 20 000 Probationary ░░░░░░░░ Have to be rehired ░░░░░░░░ FBI Agents who worked ░░░░░░░░ January 6th You can ░░░░░░░░ target them We got ░░░░░░░░ Elon Musk And doge ░░░░░░░░ they did At usaid ░░░░░░░░ It s got to ░░░░░░░░ reversed So no wonder ░░░░░░░░ Trump is mad Many ░░░░░░░░ those cases we ve ░░░░░░░░ with wonderful pro bono ░░░░░░░░ And I Personally have ░░░░░░░░ seen That Slowing down ░░░░░░░░ fact several firms approached ░░░░░░░░ this week To say ░░░░░░░░ me help But you ░░░░░░░░ right Now we need ░░░░░░░░ get particularly the Big ░░░░░░░░ stand Up Like my ░░░░░░░░ friend Marc Elias Did ░░░░░░░░ say this will Not ░░░░░░░░ allowed And let s ░░░░░░░░ norm About the Stakes ░░░░░░░░ why that needs to ░░░░░░░░ I think for anyone ░░░░░░░░ read Tim snyder s ░░░░░░░░ tyranny the idea of ░░░░░░░░ who who went along ░░░░░░░░ get along and in ░░░░░░░░ Doing so became complicit ░░░░░░░░ stood out I want ░░░░░░░░ read you this section ░░░░░░░░ the book If lawyers ░░░░░░░░ Followed the norm of ░░░░░░░░ execution without trial then ░░░░░░░░ Nazi regime would have ░░░░░░░░ much harder pressed to ░░░░░░░░ out the atrocities by ░░░░░░░░ we remember it Professional ░░░░░░░░ must guide us precisely ░░░░░░░░ we are told that ░░░░░░░░ situation is exceptional then ░░░░░░░░ is no such thing ░░░░░░░░ just following orders If ░░░░░░░░ of the profession confuse ░░░░░░░░ specific ethics with the ░░░░░░░░ of the moment however ░░░░░░░░ can find themselves saying ░░░░░░░░ doing things that they ░░░░░░░░ previously have thought unimaginable ░░░░░░░░ in this moment whether ░░░░░░░░ work at one of ░░░░░░░░ big firms whether you ░░░░░░░░ at d o j ░░░░░░░░ is a history defining ░░░░░░░░ that we find ourselves ░░░░░░░░ No doubt And the ░░░░░░░░ profession Is entrusted With ░░░░░░░░ Powers to bring A ░░░░░░░░ to prosecute lawsuits But ░░░░░░░░ those powers come Our ░░░░░░░░ duties and we Must ░░░░░░░░ Lose our moral compass ░░░░░░░░ s why Frankly I ░░░░░░░░ so Startled and Shocked ░░░░░░░░ the Paul Weiss firm ░░░░░░░░ ve worked With them ░░░░░░░░ decades If you had ░░░░░░░░ me what firm in ░░░░░░░░ United States of America ░░░░░░░░ exemplifies Those not just ░░░░░░░░ duties But the moral ░░░░░░░░ that is Within those ░░░░░░░░ I certainly would have ░░░░░░░░ Paul Weiss on my ░░░░░░░░ list So that s ░░░░░░░░ example of what we ░░░░░░░░ not do We must ░░░░░░░░ capitulate We must not ░░░░░░░░ The knee We must ░░░░░░░░ Kiss the ring I ░░░░░░░░ never Do it And ░░░░░░░░ friends at state Democracy ░░░░░░░░ Fund We I determined ░░░░░░░░ bring Even more Legal ░░░░░░░░ After that happened In ░░░░░░░░ We filed One on ░░░░░░░░ telling The courts They ░░░░░░░░ Reverse Donald Trump s ░░░░░░░░ on the Voice of ░░░░░░░░ Then over the Weekend ░░░░░░░░ Were Representing two Dozen ░░░░░░░░ conservatives Every administration from ░░░░░░░░ to Trump one saying ░░░░░░░░ wicked deportations Of Innocent ░░░░░░░░ This is America We ░░░░░░░░ Up their bipartisan And ░░░░░░░░ ll Have another big ░░░░░░░░ Monday That s my ░░░░░░░░ And all of those ░░░░░░░░ helped by pro bono ░░░░░░░░ But so I think ░░░░░░░░ think just to stay ░░░░░░░░ that point just a ░░░░░░░░ bit longer because I ░░░░░░░░ I think a lot ░░░░░░░░ folks not just in ░░░░░░░░ legal community a lot ░░░░░░░░ folks are just shocked ░░░░░░░░ the just the sheer ░░░░░░░░ over by Paul Weiss ░░░░░░░░ as a sort of ░░░░░░░░ an indicator to other ░░░░░░░░ to do the same ░░░░░░░░ the piece that that ░░░░░░░░ read Snyder s most ░░░░░░░░ lesson on from on ░░░░░░░░ is the first one ░░░░░░░░ not obey obey in ░░░░░░░░ And so that that ░░░░░░░░ I take to heart ░░░░░░░░ in this reporting from ░░░░░░░░ News that notes how ░░░░░░░░ the legal community was ░░░░░░░░ all of this noting ░░░░░░░░ the agreement shocked many ░░░░░░░░ the legal community And ░░░░░░░░ Rachel cohen an associate ░░░░░░░░ another large firm skadden ░░░░░░░░ slate meagher and flom ░░░░░░░░ it was the final ░░░░░░░░ This is not what ░░░░░░░░ saw for my career ░░░░░░░░ for my evening But ░░░░░░░░ Weiss s decision to ░░░░░░░░ to the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ die representation and staffing ░░░░░░░░ forced my hand cohen ░░░░░░░░ in her firmwide email ░░░░░░░░ went viral on social ░░░░░░░░ after she shared it ░░░░░░░░ We do not have ░░░░░░░░ It is now or ░░░░░░░░ is never And if ░░░░░░░░ is never I will ░░░░░░░░ continue to work here ░░░░░░░░ admire that that I ░░░░░░░░ asked me what would ░░░░░░░░ have done if I ░░░░░░░░ at Paul Weiss in ░░░░░░░░ was the position of ░░░░░░░░ partnership See you Because ░░░░░░░░ me it undermines the ░░░░░░░░ thing we we we ░░░░░░░░ for as lawyers when ░░░░░░░░ take that oath which ░░░░░░░░ know I m not ░░░░░░░░ litigator I was a ░░░░░░░░ guy right It s ░░░░░░░░ too Late But I ░░░░░░░░ Out award We got ░░░░░░░░ job I got I ░░░░░░░░ good I m good ░░░░░░░░ but the fact is ░░░░░░░░ of where you are ░░░░░░░░ the legal perspective in ░░░░░░░░ legal playground we all ░░░░░░░░ the same oath Right ░░░░░░░░ that s what miss ░░░░░░░░ was driving But here ░░░░░░░░ The good news There ░░░░░░░░ been three law firms ░░░░░░░░ have Been targeted with ░░░░░░░░ executive orders And the ░░░░░░░░ coie firm Stood up ░░░░░░░░ fought They went To ░░░░░░░░ They got one of ░░░░░░░░ most Ferocious litigating firms ░░░░░░░░ the country williams and ░░░░░░░░ They stood Up to ░░░░░░░░ perkins coie covington And ░░░░░░░░ one of our nation ░░░░░░░░ Most storied law firms ░░░░░░░░ didn t bend down ░░░░░░░░ Bow the knee and ░░░░░░░░ They re representing among ░░░░░░░░ Controversial pro democracy figures ░░░░░░░░ Been publicly reported Jack ░░░░░░░░ the former Special counsel ░░░░░░░░ re fighting That s ░░░░░░░░ American tradition That s ░░░░░░░░ I remember when I ░░░░░░░░ up in the morning ░░░░░░░░ course Donald Trump So ░░░░░░░░ what s So what ░░░░░░░░ the deal with Paul ░░░░░░░░ relative Because those are ░░░░░░░░ I mean like you ░░░░░░░░ they re a big ░░░░░░░░ firm Why did they ░░░░░░░░ mean well you can ░░░░░░░░ tell us why because ░░░░░░░░ didn t do it ░░░░░░░░ know you re very ░░░░░░░░ on where you stand ░░░░░░░░ what do you tell ░░░░░░░░ kind of I know ░░░░░░░░ well and I know ░░░░░░░░ decision makers well They ░░░░░░░░ dear friends I considered ░░░░░░░░ dear friends and colleagues ░░░░░░░░ I started getting those ░░░░░░░░ reports It was one ░░░░░░░░ the most shocking and ░░░░░░░░ moments Of the entire ░░░░░░░░ me as a lawyer ░░░░░░░░ the entire first two ░░░░░░░░ of the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ think the thinking within ░░░░░░░░ firm I m guessing ░░░░░░░░ haven t talked to ░░░░░░░░ since then I don ░░░░░░░░ think they re going ░░░░░░░░ be picking up the ░░░░░░░░ and Calling any Fan ░░░░░░░░ fan mash notes after ░░░░░░░░ appearance and I wrote ░░░░░░░░ it in my publisher ░░░░░░░░ note for the contrarian ░░░░░░░░ weekend I think their ░░░░░░░░ was look we have ░░░░░░░░ To our clients and ░░░░░░░░ will be impairing our ░░░░░░░░ to our clients if ░░░░░░░░ get in a fight ░░░░░░░░ a fight with the ░░░░░░░░ And we have thousands ░░░░░░░░ clients who we deal ░░░░░░░░ the federal government And ░░░░░░░░ two it s going ░░░░░░░░ explode the firm because ░░░░░░░░ s a lot of ░░░░░░░░ high grossing corporate and ░░░░░░░░ equity practices Of Paul ░░░░░░░░ that they ve attracted ░░░░░░░░ re going to explode ░░░░░░░░ But you know what ░░░░░░░░ would have cut Off ░░░░░░░░ Right arm before I ░░░░░░░░ that deal Yeah Principle ░░░░░░░░ profits And in terms ░░░░░░░░ Those clients it s ░░░░░░░░ publicly reported Covington has ░░░░░░░░ some clients you know ░░░░░░░░ You might be better ░░░░░░░░ elsewhere Many of those ░░░░░░░░ could get along just ░░░░░░░░ without Paul Weiss bowing ░░░░░░░░ So it s wrong ░░░░░░░░ s shocking But let ░░░░░░░░ remember The other Side ░░░░░░░░ The story There s ░░░░░░░░ Others who are standing ░░░░░░░░ and we could not ░░░░░░░░ done our cases or ░░░░░░░░ our big wins without ░░░░░░░░ bono help So I ░░░░░░░░ hopeful for the profession ░░░░░░░░ for the democracy But ░░░░░░░░ you re right we ░░░░░░░░ To see some Names ░░░░░░░░ A piece Of paper ░░░░░░░░ stand with press release ░░░░░░░░ release Baby Show me ░░░░░░░░ signatures Yes yes yes ░░░░░░░░ the signatures Norm Norm ░░░░░░░░ have so Much more ░░░░░░░░ talk with You About ░░░░░░░░ please Stick with us ░░░░░░░░ want to talk about ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration s near ░░░░░░░░ defiance of the courts ░░░░░░░░ later why Trump really ░░░░░░░░ doesn t Want to ░░░░░░░░ about the.