CNN’s Kasie Hunt Clashes with Stephen Miller over Alien Enemies Act: ‘Is Venezuela Invading the U.S.?’

HUNT So Stephen when ░░░░░░░░ when you say that ░░░░░░░░ person has no authority ░░░░░░░░ all this is how ░░░░░░░░ system works It starts ░░░░░░░░ these judges and then ░░░░░░░░ up At what point ░░░░░░░░ it become in your ░░░░░░░░ legal for the justice ░░░░░░░░ to be looking at ░░░░░░░░ and making a judgment ░░░░░░░░ I fail to see ░░░░░░░░ there s any other ░░░░░░░░ but to start with ░░░░░░░░ we re starting here ░░░░░░░░ you get to eventually ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court MILLER Well ░░░░░░░░ first of all there ░░░░░░░░ a term in law ░░░░░░░░ This is not justiciable ░░░░░░░░ other words this is ░░░░░░░░ subject to judicial remedy ░░░░░░░░ the president is exercising ░░░░░░░░ Article II powers to ░░░░░░░░ the country against an ░░░░░░░░ or to repel a ░░░░░░░░ terrorist that is unlawfully ░░░░░░░░ the country he s ░░░░░░░░ his core Article II ░░░░░░░░ as commander in chief ░░░░░░░░ Is Venezuela invading the ░░░░░░░░ S MILLER This is ░░░░░░░░ is a very important ░░░░░░░░ This is a Title ░░░░░░░░ authority It s a ░░░░░░░░ in chief authority So ░░░░░░░░ to ask you a ░░░░░░░░ question You talk about ░░░░░░░░ the system works Does ░░░░░░░░ district court judge have ░░░░░░░░ right to direct or ░░░░░░░░ troop movements overseas Yes ░░░░░░░░ no HUNT Well Stephen ░░░░░░░░ question MILLER No no ░░░░░░░░ HUNT If you can ░░░░░░░░ my question first MILLER ░░░░░░░░ other words HUNT Is ░░░░░░░░ is Venezuela invading our ░░░░░░░░ in a way that ░░░░░░░░ MILLER TdA HUNT apply ░░░░░░░░ way MILLER So under ░░░░░░░░ so I ll answer ░░░░░░░░ and then you ll ░░░░░░░░ mine Under the terms ░░░░░░░░ the statute Tren de ░░░░░░░░ is an alien enemy ░░░░░░░░ that has come here ░░░░░░░░ detailed at length in ░░░░░░░░ proclamation at the direction ░░░░░░░░ the Venezuelan government The ░░░░░░░░ says that a president ░░░░░░░░ the ability to repel ░░░░░░░░ invasion or predatory incursion ░░░░░░░░ is directed by a ░░░░░░░░ government HUNT By a ░░░░░░░░ or a government right ░░░░░░░░ they a state or ░░░░░░░░ government MILLER Yes this ░░░░░░░░ be yes it is ░░░░░░░░ is documented that TdA ░░░░░░░░ sent by the Venezuelan ░░░░░░░░ in the proclamation And ░░░░░░░░ s an even more ░░░░░░░░ point Under the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ makes that determination A ░░░░░░░░ court judge elected by ░░░░░░░░ one or the commander ░░░░░░░░ chief of the Army ░░░░░░░░ Navy The president and ░░░░░░░░ president alone makes a ░░░░░░░░ of what triggers that ░░░░░░░░ and statute HUNT So ░░░░░░░░ you then do you ░░░░░░░░ think we are actually ░░░░░░░░ war with Venezuela the ░░░░░░░░ state of Venezuela MILLER ░░░░░░░░ re not hearing me ░░░░░░░░ you re not understanding ░░░░░░░░ Read the statute Alien ░░░░░░░░ Act 1798 It says ░░░░░░░░ a predatory incursion is ░░░░░░░░ by a foreign government ░░░░░░░░ it lists the three ░░░░░░░░ actions It could be ░░░░░░░░ act of war HUNT ░░░░░░░░ it does say in ░░░░░░░░ very beginning there has ░░░░░░░░ be a declared war ░░░░░░░░ a nation or a ░░░░░░░░ That s what it ░░░░░░░░ MILLER No Wrong Look ░░░░░░░░ the statute It s ░░░░░░░░ my account on social ░░░░░░░░ HUNT That s actually ░░░░░░░░ we found it MILLER ░░░░░░░░ it says or a ░░░░░░░░ incursion or an invasion ░░░░░░░░ statute delineates three criteria ░░░░░░░░ triggering the Alien Enemies ░░░░░░░░ One is an act ░░░░░░░░ war which by the ░░░░░░░░ an invasion is an ░░░░░░░░ of war But put ░░░░░░░░ aside One is an ░░░░░░░░ which this is One ░░░░░░░░ a predatory incursion which ░░░░░░░░ is So it actually ░░░░░░░░ all three statutory criteria ░░░░░░░░ with respect to this ░░░░░░░░ statute it s the ░░░░░░░░ is utilizing the incursion ░░░░░░░░ invasion language in the ░░░░░░░░ HUNT OK So big ░░░░░░░░ Stephen MILLER But this ░░░░░░░░ a very important question ░░░░░░░░ no no no Hold ░░░░░░░░ This is a very ░░░░░░░░ question You said the ░░░░░░░░ our system works is ░░░░░░░░ president of the United ░░░░░░░░ commands the armed forces ░░░░░░░░ the country commands the ░░░░░░░░ policy of the country ░░░░░░░░ that s subject to ░░░░░░░░ court review That is ░░░░░░░░ untrue HUNT I didn ░░░░░░░░ I never said that ░░░░░░░░ I did not MILLER ░░░░░░░░ has never been true ░░░░░░░░ This was not a ░░░░░░░░ I mean MILLER A ░░░░░░░░ court judge can no ░░░░░░░░ enjoin the expulsion of ░░░░░░░░ terrorists to foreign soil ░░░░░░░░ he can direct the ░░░░░░░░ of Air Force One ░░░░░░░░ he can direct the ░░░░░░░░ of an aircraft carrier ░░░░░░░░ he can direct Marco ░░░░░░░░ to engage in diplomacy ░░░░░░░░ Do you think the ░░░░░░░░ Court has any say ░░░░░░░░ this or not Like ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court of ░░░░░░░░ United States have any ░░░░░░░░ over the things that ░░░░░░░░ were just outlining right ░░░░░░░░ MILLER I believe what ░░░░░░░░ Supreme Court will say ░░░░░░░░ what I just said ░░░░░░░░ is that the president ░░░░░░░░ conduct here is not ░░░░░░░░ to judicial HUNT OK ░░░░░░░░ you are acknowledging that ░░░░░░░░ do in fact have ░░░░░░░░ say here MILLER Well ░░░░░░░░ Even though you think ░░░░░░░░ may agree with you ░░░░░░░░ Well we are expecting ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court to ░░░░░░░░ what has always been ░░░░░░░░ case which is when ░░░░░░░░ president is using his ░░░░░░░░ as commander in chief ░░░░░░░░ determinations are not subject ░░░░░░░░ judicial review In other ░░░░░░░░ the president s designation ░░░░░░░░ Tren de Aragua as ░░░░░░░░ foreign terrorist organization and ░░░░░░░░ an alien enemy are ░░░░░░░░ of his inherent plenary ░░░░░░░░ There is no way ░░░░░░░░ So at what point ░░░░░░░░ There s no way ░░░░░░░░ on How are you ░░░░░░░░ to expel illegal alien ░░░░░░░░ from our country who ░░░░░░░░ raping little girls who ░░░░░░░░ murdering little girls if ░░░░░░░░ and every deportation has ░░░░░░░░ be adjudicated by a ░░░░░░░░ court judge That means ░░░░░░░░ have no country It ░░░░░░░░ you have no sovereignty ░░░░░░░░ means you have no ░░░░░░░░ It is fundamentally incompatible ░░░░░░░░ have a country and ░░░░░░░░ individual expulsions adjudicated by ░░░░░░░░ single district court judge ░░░░░░░░ I m just trying ░░░░░░░░ figure out at what ░░░░░░░░ in the system MILLER ░░░░░░░░ s impossible.”