Fmr. Biden Energy Adviser: ‘Is There a Disarmed Russia on the Other Side? I Don’t Think So’

ABRAMOWICZ Just ignoring some ░░░░░░░░ the more heated rhetoric ░░░░░░░░ the Ukraine Russia war ░░░░░░░░ of the lack of ░░░░░░░░ of where funding is ░░░░░░░░ do you think that ░░░░░░░░ is validity in pushing ░░░░░░░░ on just how much ░░░░░░░░ U S and even ░░░░░░░░ nations are contributing to ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainians in this Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ war HOCHSTEIN You ve ░░░░░░░░ to separate a couple ░░░░░░░░ things One is we ░░░░░░░░ to support Ukraine because ░░░░░░░░ country invaded You can ░░░░░░░░ whether or not the ░░░░░░░░ that Zelenskyy used before ░░░░░░░░ invasion were smart or ░░░░░░░░ was it good or ░░░░░░░░ nothing gives you the ░░░░░░░░ to invade another country ░░░░░░░░ you don t like ░░░░░░░░ the leaders said You ░░░░░░░░ can t do that ░░░░░░░░ they invaded another country ░░░░░░░░ we should support it ░░░░░░░░ they invaded Georgia in ░░░░░░░░ and if we didn ░░░░░░░░ intervene they would control ░░░░░░░░ of Georgia today and ░░░░░░░░ So you ve got ░░░░░░░░ stop that Then I ░░░░░░░░ 100 percent and we ░░░░░░░░ about this already in ░░░░░░░░ Biden Administration there s ░░░░░░░░ lot of concern about ░░░░░░░░ is this money going ░░░░░░░░ who s in control ░░░░░░░░ it And this came ░░░░░░░░ in many conversations with ░░░░░░░░ with his top people ░░░░░░░░ our concerns So what ░░░░░░░░ should do is tighten ░░░░░░░░ controls on the money ░░░░░░░░ put the oversight in ░░░░░░░░ so that you know ░░░░░░░░ the money is going ░░░░░░░░ you can t do ░░░░░░░░ while also saying well ░░░░░░░░ of that we re ░░░░░░░░ to allow the Russians ░░░░░░░░ take a whole bunch ░░░░░░░░ territory and win the ░░░░░░░░ So it s a ░░░░░░░░ tough balance but you ░░░░░░░░ government s hard ABRAMOWICZ ░░░░░░░░ you left the government ░░░░░░░░ was the Ukrainian situation ░░░░░░░░ terms of how much ░░░░░░░░ Russia had taken and ░░░░░░░░ sense of the balance ░░░░░░░░ power at a time ░░░░░░░░ it seemed like Russia ░░░░░░░░ making some inroads HOCHSTEIN ░░░░░░░░ Russia was making some ░░░░░░░░ but largely the conflict ░░░░░░░░ been frozen for a ░░░░░░░░ time where Russia makes ░░░░░░░░ little bit of inroads ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine makes some inroads ░░░░░░░░ else You know on ░░░░░░░░ net net basis Russia ░░░░░░░░ making more inroads than ░░░░░░░░ was losing But it ░░░░░░░░ t massive amounts of ░░░░░░░░ So it was largely ░░░░░░░░ But that was in ░░░░░░░░ to get to a ░░░░░░░░ I agree with the ░░░░░░░░ Administration that enough is ░░░░░░░░ let s get to ░░░░░░░░ negotiation I think you ░░░░░░░░ to force both sides ░░░░░░░░ come to the table ░░░░░░░░ you ve got to ░░░░░░░░ some tough choices Both ░░░░░░░░ need to make some ░░░░░░░░ choices Freezing the war ░░░░░░░░ place and saying OK ░░░░░░░░ re done let s ░░░░░░░░ this a border is ░░░░░░░░ tough because hundreds of ░░░░░░░░ of people have been ░░░░░░░░ to do what Just ░░░░░░░░ allow for parts of ░░░░░░░░ country to go away ░░░░░░░░ then what Is there ░░░░░░░░ disarmed Russia on the ░░░░░░░░ side I don t ░░░░░░░░ so So they invade ░░░░░░░░ in 2 years in ░░░░░░░░ years So you have ░░░░░░░░ create a negotiation that ░░░░░░░░ both sides at the ░░░░░░░░ that allows for some ░░░░░░░░ of resolution that both ░░░░░░░░ don t like but ░░░░░░░░ ends the war.”