RUSH TRANSCRIPT Appeal those ░░░░░░░░ My lead source tonight ░░░░░░░░ the democratic senator of ░░░░░░░░ Chris Murphy And senator ░░░░░░░░ as we look at ░░░░░░░░ developments that have happened ░░░░░░░░ the last 48 hours ░░░░░░░░ are your concerns about ░░░░░░░░ moment that we re ░░░░░░░░ with the courts with ░░░░░░░░ president and with the ░░░░░░░░ from two of his ░░░░░░░░ advisers that that maybe ░░░░░░░░ defy the court s ░░░░░░░░ Yeah Listen I mean ░░░░░░░░ isn t hyperbole to ░░░░░░░░ that we are staring ░░░░░░░░ death of democracy in ░░░░░░░░ eyes right now The ░░░░░░░░ centerpiece of our democracy ░░░░░░░░ that we observe court ░░░░░░░░ criminal court rulings civil ░░░░░░░░ rulings and constitutional court ░░░░░░░░ No one is above ░░░░░░░░ law And whether we ░░░░░░░░ it or not the ░░░░░░░░ interpret the law So ░░░░░░░░ throughout the history of ░░░░░░░░ United States the courts ░░░░░░░░ made rulings on when ░░░░░░░░ executive Branch is exercising ░░░░░░░░ power and when they ░░░░░░░░ going beyond the power ░░░░░░░░ they have Either constrained ░░░░░░░░ statute or by the ░░░░░░░░ just as they regularly ░░░░░░░░ on whether or not ░░░░░░░░ have complied with the ░░░░░░░░ or violated the law ░░░░░░░░ those be civil laws ░░░░░░░░ criminal laws If the ░░░░░░░░ United States says you ░░░░░░░░ what I don t ░░░░░░░░ what the courts say ░░░░░░░░ m going to do ░░░░░░░░ the hell I want ░░░░░░░░ s essentially the end ░░░░░░░░ the rule of law ░░░░░░░░ if the president isn ░░░░░░░░ bound by our laws ░░░░░░░░ the Constitution then why ░░░░░░░░ anybody else be bound ░░░░░░░░ our laws and the ░░░░░░░░ This is a really ░░░░░░░░ moment And no so ░░░░░░░░ they ve been talking ░░░░░░░░ But I think largely ░░░░░░░░ complied with these court ░░░░░░░░ I think there s ░░░░░░░░ to be a question ░░░░░░░░ to how how well ░░░░░░░░ ve complied with the ░░░░░░░░ But if they were ░░░░░░░░ outright ignore an order ░░░░░░░░ jd Vance and Elon ░░░░░░░░ are suggesting that is ░░░░░░░░ the greatest challenge to ░░░░░░░░ democracy and any of ░░░░░░░░ lifetimes But you re ░░░░░░░░ we re not there ░░░░░░░░ Basically Well listen on ░░░░░░░░ specific question of whether ░░░░░░░░ not they are prepared ░░░░░░░░ openly violate a court ░░░░░░░░ we are not there ░░░░░░░░ are not complying with ░░░░░░░░ existing court orders but ░░░░░░░░ are in partial compliance ░░░░░░░░ if they were to ░░░░░░░░ declare that because they ░░░░░░░░ with for instance a ░░░░░░░░ s order to reopen ░░░░░░░░ or to get Elon ░░░░░░░░ out of the Treasury ░░░░░░░░ simply because on the ░░░░░░░░ they disagree with the ░░░░░░░░ s ruling then you ░░░░░░░░ clearly in the most ░░░░░░░░ constitutional crisis Um you ░░░░░░░░ I mean arguably over ░░░░░░░░ last 100 years And ░░░░░░░░ what happens I just ░░░░░░░░ to game this out ░░░░░░░░ that happens and you ░░░░░░░░ saying that you don ░░░░░░░░ think it has yet ░░░░░░░░ what What s next ░░░░░░░░ that if they do ░░░░░░░░ a court order and ░░░░░░░░ s not just a ░░░░░░░░ or a Truth Social ░░░░░░░░ it s them telling ░░░░░░░░ judge we think you ░░░░░░░░ wrong We re not ░░░░░░░░ to comply with this ░░░░░░░░ what happens Well I ░░░░░░░░ listen I am not ░░░░░░░░ active practice lawyer but ░░░░░░░░ first thing you would ░░░░░░░░ would be to go ░░░░░░░░ to the court and ░░░░░░░░ the administration or the ░░░░░░░░ who are not complying ░░░░░░░░ contempt And there are ░░░░░░░░ series of remedies that ░░░░░░░░ court can order if ░░░░░░░░ is in contempt including ░░░░░░░░ them So there is ░░░░░░░░ series of escalatory steps ░░░░░░░░ would be responsible for ░░░░░░░░ that The Well I ░░░░░░░░ ultimately that s that ░░░░░░░░ that s law enforcement ░░░░░░░░ there s where you ░░░░░░░░ in trouble This is ░░░░░░░░ somebody like jd Vance ░░░░░░░░ suggested that there may ░░░░░░░░ no remedy ultimately for ░░░░░░░░ violation of a court ░░░░░░░░ because it would be ░░░░░░░░ enforcement in control of ░░░░░░░░ executive Branch that may ░░░░░░░░ have to enforce the ░░░░░░░░ So therein lies the ░░░░░░░░ that ultimately becomes a ░░░░░░░░ and political crisis for ░░░░░░░░ country Listen let s ░░░░░░░░ we don t get ░░░░░░░░ Let s hope that ░░░░░░░░ is bluster I argue ░░░░░░░░ we re already in ░░░░░░░░ in a version of ░░░░░░░░ constitutional crisis because you ░░░░░░░░ the widespread endorsement of ░░░░░░░░ in this country You ░░░░░░░░ the president trying to ░░░░░░░░ violate the law only ░░░░░░░░ constrained by the courts ░░░░░░░░ think this is a ░░░░░░░░ already It gets even ░░░░░░░░ if they decide that ░░░░░░░░ are going to openly ░░░░░░░░ transparently not cooperate and ░░░░░░░░ follow a court order ░░░░░░░░ do you say to ░░░░░░░░ two arguments that have ░░░░░░░░ made to me today ░░░░░░░░ I ve been talking ░░░░░░░░ people on this is ░░░░░░░░ Trump supporters Americans elected ░░░░░░░░ that he had promised ░░░░░░░░ on the campaign trail ░░░░░░░░ they were going to ░░░░░░░░ this with Elon Musk ░░░░░░░░ go into the federal ░░░░░░░░ and essentially carry out ░░░░░░░░ efficiency mandate that he ░░░░░░░░ been arguing they have ░░░░░░░░ two what the other ░░░░░░░░ that I ve heard ░░░░░░░░ well President Biden you ░░░░░░░░ pushed student loans and ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court and ░░░░░░░░ them And still you ░░░░░░░░ tried to to go ░░░░░░░░ that and eliminate as ░░░░░░░░ student debt as he ░░░░░░░░ What would you say ░░░░░░░░ those two responses that ░░░░░░░░ ve heard from from ░░░░░░░░ s allies Well first ░░░░░░░░ don t think the ░░░░░░░░ people voted to have ░░░░░░░░ Musk get access to ░░░░░░░░ of their tax data ░░░░░░░░ Security Medicare data in ░░░░░░░░ to enrich himself I ░░░░░░░░ not sure that the ░░░░░░░░ people voted for that ░░░░░░░░ it is just not ░░░░░░░░ that President Biden Did ░░░░░░░░ comply with court orders ░░░░░░░░ were several things that ░░░░░░░░ Biden did that the ░░░░░░░░ ruled were either illegal ░░░░░░░░ unconstitutional He suspended those ░░░░░░░░ There were things that ░░░░░░░░ Obama did that the ░░░░░░░░ ruled were unconstitutional He ░░░░░░░░ those actions and operations ░░░░░░░░ until now whether presidents ░░░░░░░░ with the court rulings ░░░░░░░░ have observed the court ░░░░░░░░ in every single president ░░░░░░░░ and Democrat has had ░░░░░░░░ court weigh in and ░░░░░░░░ that something that they ░░░░░░░░ trying to do was ░░░░░░░░ the authorization they are ░░░░░░░░ by statute or the ░░░░░░░░ This would be the ░░░░░░░░ time the first time ░░░░░░░░ certainly in our lifetime ░░░░░░░░ a president has just ░░░░░░░░ to ignore the courts ░░░░░░░░ president has a battle ░░░░░░░░ the courts Every president ░░░░░░░░ the courts but they ░░░░░░░░ with the court orders ░░░░░░░░ how will you know ░░░░░░░░ we re there if ░░░░░░░░ the U S gets ░░░░░░░░ that point people are ░░░░░░░░ to be asking themselves ░░░░░░░░ question tonight Well I ░░░░░░░░ right now you have ░░░░░░░░ a president who is ░░░░░░░░ in compliance with these ░░░░░░░░ For instance the court ░░░░░░░░ that he can t ░░░░░░░░ off funds to agencies ░░░░░░░░ states where Congress directed ░░░░░░░░ to flow He has ░░░░░░░░ back on some of ░░░░░░░░ streams of funding but ░░░░░░░░ all And so today ░░░░░░░░ court in Rhode Island ░░░░░░░░ listen Mr President we ░░░░░░░░ it when you say ░░░░░░░░ you can t unilaterally ░░░░░░░░ these funds Again if ░░░░░░░░ were to continue to ░░░░░░░░ even this latest ruling ░░░░░░░░ it s possible that ░░░░░░░░ or some of his ░░░░░░░░ will be held in ░░░░░░░░ And if then they ░░░░░░░░ to enforce those contempt ░░░░░░░░ we are you know ░░░░░░░░ the middle of a ░░░░░░░░ dire constitutional crisis And ░░░░░░░░ I think the place ░░░░░░░░ re in now is ░░░░░░░░ dire The fact that ░░░░░░░░ administration has decided to ░░░░░░░░ political violence has hinted ░░░░░░░░ signaled that it s ░░░░░░░░ to pardon anybody who ░░░░░░░░ been accused of serious ░░░░░░░░ just because they re ░░░░░░░░ friendly to the president ░░░░░░░░ s a crisis in ░░░░░░░░ of itself This would ░░░░░░░░ a bigger one if ░░░░░░░░ openly violate court orders ░░░░░░░░ Chris Murphy thank you ░░░░░░░░ your time tonight.