Boris Johnson: Any Argument that Putin Would Use Nukes Is a ‘Hogwash’

HOST Tthe argument that ░░░░░░░░ Putin will resort to ░░░░░░░░ weapons is is hogwash ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ And I think that ░░░░░░░░ we collaborated with the ░░░░░░░░ in 1994 in depriving ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainians of nuclear weapons ░░░░░░░░ would have protected them ░░░░░░░░ The Budapest Memorandum Johnson ░░░░░░░░ the horror of what ░░░░░░░░ happening now And if ░░░░░░░░ you know if they ░░░░░░░░ a deterrent the nuclear ░░░░░░░░ they would not be ░░░░░░░░ in their beds by ░░░░░░░░ right now And we ░░░░░░░░ part of that and ░░░░░░░░ signed the memorandum in ░░░░░░░░ rather weak commitments to ░░░░░░░░ know just raise it ░░░░░░░░ U N or some ░░░░░░░░ of you know it ░░░░░░░░ not really a security ░░░░░░░░ to come to the ░░░░░░░░ of Ukraine But we ░░░░░░░░ morally responsible for their ░░░░░░░░ right We re morally ░░░░░░░░ for their predicament We ░░░░░░░░ to create this nightmare ░░░░░░░░ they can be invaded ░░░░░░░░ a nuclear state I ░░░░░░░░ t for a minute ░░░░░░░░ that Putin would use ░░░░░░░░ weapons against Ukraine I ░░░░░░░░ you several reasons for ░░░░░░░░ The first is that ░░░░░░░░ he would immediately forfeit ░░░░░░░░ the indulgence that he ░░░░░░░░ had from the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ the Gulf countries from ░░░░░░░░ know who still have ░░░░░░░░ with him from the ░░░░░░░░ who still have relations ░░░░░░░░ him from all the ░░░░░░░░ voters around the world ░░░░░░░░ still think Well you ░░░░░░░░ is Ukraine really top ░░░░░░░░ my priorities I m ░░░░░░░░ continue to deal with ░░░░░░░░ He would terrify them ░░░░░░░░ None of them None ░░░░░░░░ them want to see ░░░░░░░░ proliferation or the use ░░░░░░░░ nuclear weapons or aggressive ░░░░░░░░ of Pakistan or any ░░░░░░░░ country that possesses nuclear ░░░░░░░░ to use them in ░░░░░░░░ first strike weapon A ░░░░░░░░ strike of nuclear is ░░░░░░░░ unbelievable thing to do ░░░░░░░░ so it would be ░░░░░░░░ political disaster for Russia ░░░░░░░░ would he would terrify ░░░░░░░░ own people absolutely terrify ░░░░░░░░ because they would not ░░░░░░░░ exactly how the West ░░░░░░░░ going to respond so ░░░░░░░░ would forfeit support abroad ░░░░░░░░ would forfeit a huge ░░░░░░░░ of support at home ░░░░░░░░ would not know when ░░░░░░░░ how we were going ░░░░░░░░ respond And by the ░░░░░░░░ I do know a ░░░░░░░░ because we discussed it ░░░░░░░░ when I was prime ░░░░░░░░ I do know something ░░░░░░░░ our preparations for that ░░░░░░░░ and I can you ░░░░░░░░ without breaking the logic ░░░░░░░░ deterrence which is ambiguity ░░░░░░░░ can tell you that ░░░░░░░░ would be no fun ░░░░░░░░ all for Russia if ░░░░░░░░ if they did that ░░░░░░░░ it will be a ░░░░░░░░ at home.”