RUSH TRANSCRIPT Joining me ░░░░░░░░ now is Ravi Agrawal ░░░░░░░░ in chief chief of ░░░░░░░░ policy magazine Thank you ░░░░░░░░ your time now before ░░░░░░░░ get to each individual ░░░░░░░░ Just broadly what has ░░░░░░░░ Trump said about how ░░░░░░░░ views America s role ░░░░░░░░ global conflicts As a ░░░░░░░░ continuing to be the ░░░░░░░░ s preeminent superpower But ░░░░░░░░ know in a very ░░░░░░░░ cents less involved in ░░░░░░░░ countries problems So he ░░░░░░░░ to look at the ░░░░░░░░ not as a multi ░░░░░░░░ order where America s ░░░░░░░░ stopping other countries and ░░░░░░░░ order itself He wants ░░░░░░░░ see it as a ░░░░░░░░ in which America gets ░░░░░░░░ best deal with every ░░░░░░░░ country that it has ░░░░░░░░ relationship with so more ░░░░░░░░ less multi lateral less ░░░░░░░░ the global order more ░░░░░░░░ how it serves American ░░░░░░░░ in a way that ░░░░░░░░ demonstrably key in favor ░░░░░░░░ trade for example some ░░░░░░░░ it through the prism ░░░░░░░░ dodgy economics Not all ░░░░░░░░ it adds up What ░░░░░░░░ that tell us about ░░░░░░░░ war in the Middle ░░░░░░░░ Because there is anger ░░░░░░░░ some Americans over the ░░░░░░░░ the Biden Administration has ░░░░░░░░ Israel and has handled ░░░░░░░░ war wart approach Would ░░░░░░░░ expect Donald Trump to ░░░░░░░░ so you re right ░░░░░░░░ be Anger is justifiable ░░░░░░░░ Trump Likely to have ░░░░░░░░ stronger ties to Israel ░░░░░░░░ President Biden had the ░░░░░░░░ less likely to care ░░░░░░░░ the humanitarian tall in ░░░░░░░░ or Gaza They are ░░░░░░░░ likely to want to ░░░░░░░░ a tougher line on ░░░░░░░░ So if you add ░░░░░░░░ of that up yes ░░░░░░░░ is going to see ░░░░░░░░ that he might push ░░░░░░░░ an end to the ░░░░░░░░ he likes to see ░░░░░░░░ is ending He likes ░░░░░░░░ play a role in ░░░░░░░░ wars this taps into ░░░░░░░░ American strain of thinking ░░░░░░░░ ending wars overseas and ░░░░░░░░ being embroiled in conflicts ░░░░░░░░ when it comes to ░░░░░░░░ and at what cost ░░░░░░░░ one has any idea ░░░░░░░░ that means Yes It ░░░░░░░░ it s a complicated ░░░░░░░░ Isn t it when ░░░░░░░░ comes to what tact ░░░░░░░░ method the U s ░░░░░░░░ take now Do you ░░░░░░░░ him to take as ░░░░░░░░ line when it comes ░░░░░░░░ Iran For example who ░░░░░░░░ proxies are so involved ░░░░░░░░ this war because the ░░░░░░░░ have changed even Saudi ░░░░░░░░ and Iran get along ░░░░░░░░ than they did in ░░░░░░░░ first time That front ░░░░░░░░ viewers will remember that ░░░░░░░░ was in Iran nuclear ░░░░░░░░ in place The so ░░░░░░░░ j c p a ░░░░░░░░ that the Trump Administration ░░░░░░░░ out of and 20 ░░░░░░░░ some would argue that ░░░░░░░░ has brought Iran closer ░░░░░░░░ a nuclear bomb but ░░░░░░░░ also put in place ░░░░░░░░ restrictions on that country ░░░░░░░░ Trump will say that ░░░░░░░░ the answer now is ░░░░░░░░ pressure on Iran That ░░░░░░░░ not entirely clear that ░░░░░░░░ s what s going ░░░░░░░░ happen There are camps ░░░░░░░░ Trump s group of ░░░░░░░░ There is a camp ░░░░░░░░ thinks that this is ░░░░░░░░ great moment with their ░░░░░░░░ weakened to go and ░░░░░░░░ out it s nuclear ░░░░░░░░ There s another camp ░░░░░░░░ feels that you know ░░░░░░░░ getting embroiled in any ░░░░░░░░ of conflict abroad isn ░░░░░░░░ helpful know a lot ░░░░░░░░ the coming weeks is ░░░░░░░░ to depend on who ░░░░░░░░ picks to be in ░░░░░░░░ national security cabinet and ░░░░░░░░ that swayze is thinking ░░░░░░░░ terms of what to ░░░░░░░░ about Iran and therefore ░░░░░░░░ to do in the ░░░░░░░░ East Other big war ░░░░░░░░ makes headlines almost every ░░░░░░░░ He said he could ░░░░░░░░ the war and 20 ░░░░░░░░ hours whether he can ░░░░░░░░ naji expect it to ░░░░░░░░ any Ukrainian territory having ░░░░░░░░ be conceded almost certainly ░░░░░░░░ mean I think the ░░░░░░░░ Hours is bluster which ░░░░░░░░ ve come to expect ░░░░░░░░ him I ll see ░░░░░░░░ The Ukrainians have not ░░░░░░░░ very happy with the ░░░░░░░░ Administration They think that ░░░░░░░░ Sullivan the national security ░░░░░░░░ has slow rolled aid ░░░░░░░░ military supplies to give ░░░░░░░░ they feel that they ░░░░░░░░ gotten just enough to ░░░░░░░░ I ve but not ░░░░░░░░ to win Now Putin ░░░░░░░░ a sense has been ░░░░░░░░ for November five to ░░░░░░░░ which which person you ░░░░░░░░ be dealing with in ░░░░░░░░ White House after this ░░░░░░░░ after the election so ░░░░░░░░ there is a change ░░░░░░░░ regardless of who would ░░░░░░░░ one on but I ░░░░░░░░ with Trump in power ░░░░░░░░ and his ties to ░░░░░░░░ They ve had several ░░░░░░░░ calls not only in ░░░░░░░░ past week but in ░░░░░░░░ past four years But ░░░░░░░░ now is what sort ░░░░░░░░ a deal Trump will ░░░░░░░░ for How much He ░░░░░░░░ about what Ukraine losers ░░░░░░░░ how desperate he has ░░░░░░░░ be able to say ░░░░░░░░ he is the one ░░░░░░░░ brought ah this conflict ░░░░░░░░ a close at what ░░░░░░░░ Again we re not ░░░░░░░░ sure how much he ░░░░░░░░ going to care He ░░░░░░░░ always said that he ░░░░░░░░ Europe to take a ░░░░░░░░ bigger role in securing ░░░░░░░░ borders in nuna upping ░░░░░░░░ s defense spending to ░░░░░░░░ itself from Russia and ░░░░░░░░ wants America to demonstrably ░░░░░░░░ they re Setting that ░░░░░░░░ going to be a ░░░░░░░░ that he will push ░░░░░░░░ that may also then ░░░░░░░░ how Ukraine approaches any ░░░░░░░░ of peace negotiations and ░░░░░░░░ Putin does and he ░░░░░░░░ that Donald Trump will ░░░░░░░░ focused on U s ░░░░░░░░ at he s made ░░░░░░░░ lot of promises when ░░░░░░░░ comes to at tariffs ░░░░░░░░ example do think China ░░░░░░░░ be Time around Done ░░░░░░░░ lot of the things ░░░░░░░░ wanted to do in ░░░░░░░░ of reorient in American ░░░░░░░░ policy to be much ░░░░░░░░ on China The Biden ░░░░░░░░ did not remove most ░░░░░░░░ the Trump Tower of ░░░░░░░░ I think Trump likes ░░░░░░░░ but he s mooted ░░░░░░░░ tougher as a tariffs ░░░░░░░░ China going any where ░░░░░░░░ fifty to sixty percent ░░░░░░░░ up to two hundred ░░░░░░░░ on electric vehicles The ░░░░░░░░ is we just don ░░░░░░░░ know how any of ░░░░░░░░ is going to play ░░░░░░░░ Some of it may ░░░░░░░░ again on who is ░░░░░░░░ his national security camera ░░░░░░░░ rub His alarm apologies ░░░░░░░░ interrupt the just add ░░░░░░░░ your point about the ░░░░░░░░ cars or what kind ░░░░░░░░ influence to think Elon ░░░░░░░░ my have on these ░░░░░░░░ That s a great ░░░░░░░░ and again the fact ░░░░░░░░ he has been with ░░░░░░░░ on the phone with ░░░░░░░░ lansky recently with the ░░░░░░░░ as well It tells ░░░░░░░░ that he certainly going ░░░░░░░░ have an influence on ░░░░░░░░ what degree we don ░░░░░░░░ know how that changes ░░░░░░░░ me working on electric ░░░░░░░░ We don t know ░░░░░░░░ the United States had ░░░░░░░░ been subsidizing the American ░░░░░░░░ market and you know ░░░░░░░░ protectionist on the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ market You can expect ░░░░░░░░ trend line to continue ░░░░░░░░ what degree we don ░░░░░░░░ know right There s ░░░░░░░░ Taiwan here where Trump ░░░░░░░░ in his very nakedly ░░░░░░░░ no way he has ░░░░░░░░ what s in it ░░░░░░░░ us on what are ░░░░░░░░ getting out of backstory ░░░░░░░░ protecting ranch ravi That ░░░░░░░░ definitely something to watch ░░░░░░░░ agarwal editor in chief ░░░░░░░░ foreign policy magazine Thank ░░░░░░░░ So much stay with ░░░░░░░░ have a