RUSH TRANSCRIPT New at ░░░░░░░░ o clock death is ░░░░░░░░ many of us are ░░░░░░░░ for let alone ready ░░░░░░░░ discuss a 20 20 ░░░░░░░░ survey found that while ░░░░░░░░ of Americans found themselves ░░░░░░░░ about death more often ░░░░░░░░ d rather talk about ░░░░░░░░ else including money love ░░░░░░░░ politics that s according ░░░░░░░░ ethos one of the ░░░░░░░░ life insurance providers nationwide ░░░░░░░░ that s it nonprofits ░░░░░░░░ end well come in ░░░░░░░░ tackle the taboo and ░░░░░░░░ thinking planning and talking ░░░░░░░░ death that was founded ░░░░░░░░ doctor shauna under lighter ░░░░░░░░ s here with actress ░░░░░░░░ Nicole brown I m ░░░░░░░░ thrilled to have both ░░░░░░░░ you in this is ░░░░░░░░ topic that has become ░░░░░░░░ important to me and ░░░░░░░░ life but So talk ░░░░░░░░ why you started this ░░░░░░░░ early on in my ░░░░░░░░ training I just witnessed ░░░░░░░░ much suffering of my ░░░░░░░░ in and around the ░░░░░░░░ of their lives These ░░░░░░░░ often frail older adults 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