RUSH TRANSCRIPT Lana treene ░░░░░░░░ you very much Joining ░░░░░░░░ now Republican strategist Matt ░░░░░░░░ CNN political commentator Jamal ░░░░░░░░ and CNN legal analyst ░░░░░░░░ eisen I should note ░░░░░░░░ is outside counsel for ░░░░░░░░ democracy defenders PAC but ░░░░░░░░ jump right into this ░░░░░░░░ is a superseding indictment ░░░░░░░░ replaces the old indictment ░░░░░░░░ different grand jury was ░░░░░░░░ in this new indictment ░░░░░░░░ can you tell us ░░░░░░░░ are some differences here ░░░░░░░░ the thrust of the ░░░░░░░░ is basically the same ░░░░░░░░ Court established a test ░░░░░░░░ whatever you think of ░░░░░░░░ sun the prim court ░░░░░░░░ decision which has been ░░░░░░░░ criticized for going too ░░░░░░░░ and taking too long ░░░░░░░░ s now a distinction ░░░░░░░░ conduct Donald Trump can ░░░░░░░░ be prosecuted for unofficial ░░░░░░░░ personal conduct campaign conduct ░░░░░░░░ can be and what ░░░░░░░░ counsel Jack Smith has ░░░░░░░░ with this superseding indictment ░░░░░░░░ replacement indictment is strip ░░░░░░░░ anything that might be ░░░░░░░░ official for example Donald ░░░░░░░░ talks to his Department ░░░░░░░░ Justice Look there s ░░░░░░░░ argument a president talking ░░░░░░░░ DoJ that s official ░░░░░░░░ of that is out ░░░░░░░░ the original indictment the ░░░░░░░░ of 45 pages there ░░░░░░░░ now 36 left so ░░░░░░░░ pages cut 130 paragraphs ░░░░░░░░ allegations 106 left But ░░░░░░░░ remains is this scheme ░░░░░░░░ lies to get fake ░░░░░░░░ certificates and use those ░░░░░░░░ pressure Mike Pence to ░░░░░░░░ that the loser of ░░░░░░░░ election was actually the ░░░░░░░░ that guts of it ░░░░░░░░ all political It remains ░░░░░░░░ do want to shift ░░░░░░░░ go to you mat ░░░░░░░░ this incident at arlington ░░░░░░░░ cemetery Response We just ░░░░░░░░ alayna talking about what ░░░░░░░░ is your reaction to ░░░░░░░░ yeah Unfortunate all the ░░░░░░░░ around right Was some ░░░░░░░░ of he said she ░░░░░░░░ I did see that ░░░░░░░░ and then lucas o ░░░░░░░░ who was one of ░░░░░░░░ somebody s with the ░░░░░░░░ campaign that they have ░░░░░░░░ also spoken support Stephen ░░░░░░░░ who was a Trump ░░░░░░░░ also tweeted out some ░░░░░░░░ we got from arlington ░░░░░░░░ cemetery Look this is ░░░░░░░░ he said she said ░░░░░░░░ s unclear what happened ░░░░░░░░ probably never know the ░░░░░░░░ details of this thing ░░░░░░░░ I ll say this ░░░░░░░░ it was a somber ░░░░░░░░ that unfortunately hopefully he ░░░░░░░░ not marred by this ░░░░░░░░ I also do in ░░░░░░░░ political sense but I ░░░░░░░░ me follow the rules ░░░░░░░░ rules say you can ░░░░░░░░ do campaign related activities ░░░░░░░░ its arlington national cemetery ░░░░░░░░ don t understand this ░░░░░░░░ said she said stuff ░░░░░░░░ mean if if arlington ░░░░░░░░ you you can t ░░░░░░░░ your videographer to a ░░░░░░░░ site you comply I ░░░░░░░░ t know how is ░░░░░░░░ I don t understand ░░░░░░░░ that s you know ░░░░░░░░ you can there s ░░░░░░░░ room there well I ░░░░░░░░ just said the Trump ░░░░░░░░ tweeted out the guidance ░░░░░░░░ t know the facts ░░░░░░░░ We can extrapolate out ░░░░░░░░ again I think what ░░░░░░░░ would expect to see ░░░░░░░░ Trump campaign using Ana ░░░░░░░░ as a issue in ░░░░░░░░ campaign and the withdrawal ░░░░░░░░ that that was when ░░░░░░░░ really saw Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ poll numbers almost permanently ░░░░░░░░ down August of 2021 ░░░░░░░░ What s your response ░░░░░░░░ do you think it ░░░░░░░░ sad Sad that we ░░░░░░░░ a president United States ░░░░░░░░ in chief somebody who ░░░░░░░░ we entrusted with the ░░░░░░░░ faith and confidence of ░░░░░░░░ American people to execute ░░░░░░░░ laws and to protect ░░░░░░░░ and keep us safe ░░░░░░░░ to lead our troops ░░░░░░░░ he s somebody who ░░░░░░░░ saw in that he ░░░░░░░░ t have that high ░░░░░░░░ for truth And I ░░░░░░░░ it I got to ░░░░░░░░ you when it comes ░░░░░░░░ to it I take ░░░░░░░░ Kelly s word over ░░░░░░░░ down Trump from the ░░░░░░░░ at the previous cemetery ░░░░░░░░ general Trump was sewn ░░░░░░░░ say that he just ░░░░░░░░ t understand why people ░░░░░░░░ make that sacrifice We ░░░░░░░░ him say himself that ░░░░░░░░ thinks that the mettle ░░░░░░░░ the civilians is better ░░░░░░░░ the medal for the ░░░░░░░░ I just think that ░░░░░░░░ s just a sad ░░░░░░░░ that we re even ░░░░░░░░ this man being commander ░░░░░░░░ chief again it just ░░░░░░░░ like it s disqualifying ░░░░░░░░ do want to button ░░░░░░░░ the January 6 conversation ░░░░░░░░ mean one of the ░░░░░░░░ that we brought up ░░░░░░░░ norm with respect to ░░░░░░░░ new retool Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ is that in this ░░░░░░░░ out of whack jamal ░░░░░░░░ saying if Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ elected in November if ░░░░░░░░ becomes president again the ░░░░░░░░ 6 case goes out ░░░░░░░░ window essentially right The ░░░░░░░░ documents case goes out ░░░░░░░░ window Those cases are ░░░░░░░░ gone come January 6 ░░░░░░░░ Those are federal cases ░░░░░░░░ end the president has ░░░░░░░░ powers is like a ░░░░░░░░ two punch that can ░░░░░░░░ those cases out He ░░░░░░░░ simply order the Department ░░░░░░░░ Justice to dismiss him ░░░░░░░░ he can try to ░░░░░░░░ himself but this explains ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump and his ░░░░░░░░ are in such a ░░░░░░░░ this morning Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ a new superseding indictment ░░░░░░░░ than 70 days away ░░░░░░░░ the election As reminded ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is alleged ░░░░░░░░ have engaged in very ░░░░░░░░ 2020 election interference fahrenthold ░░░░░░░░ he do it again ░░░░░░░░ 2024 he s been ░░░░░░░░ of it 34 counts ░░░░░░░░ election interference and cover ░░░░░░░░ in Manhattan court in ░░░░░░░░ paying hush money to ░░░░░░░░ information from voters And ░░░░░░░░ Smith has reminded us ░░░░░░░░ election is a referendum ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump be held ░░░░░░░░ or not very important ░░░░░░░░ And jamal vice president ░░░░░░░░ governor Walz they re ░░░░░░░░ to sit down with ░░░░░░░░ tomorrow for their first ░░░░░░░░ What do you what ░░░░░░░░ you think she needs ░░░░░░░░ save Your mind right ░░░░░░░░ down the Georgia which ░░░░░░░░ a place I know ░░░░░░░░ well with the cause ░░░░░░░░ are worked for center ░░░░░░░░ when he was there ░░░░░░░░ she s got the ░░░░░░░░ advice somebody named Quentin ░░░░░░░░ who s deputy campaign ░░░░░░░░ who ran senator Raphael ░░░░░░░░ campaign down there And ░░░░░░░░ what they re trying ░░░░░░░░ do when they get ░░░░░░░░ to Georgia was is ░░░░░░░░ Is they re trying ░░░░░░░░ shave some of the ░░░░░░░░ in these in these ░░░░░░░░ counties that their campaigning ░░░░░░░░ right So 25 of ░░░░░░░░ rural counties are African ░░░░░░░░ Americans You think about ░░░░░░░░ and Atlanta suburb let ░░░░░░░░ be in the place ░░░░░░░░ you campaign but they ░░░░░░░░ going to try to ░░░░░░░░ up those margins in ░░░░░░░░ of those rural counties ░░░░░░░░ she s going to ░░░░░░░░ s going to do ░░░░░░░░ interview at the same ░░░░░░░░ And this interview with ░░░░░░░░ Walz which will happen ░░░░░░░░ Georgia which is incredibly ░░░░░░░░ state for them will ░░░░░░░░ some context One of ░░░░░░░░ things we ve been ░░░░░░░░ about for the course ░░░░░░░░ the last week is ░░░░░░░░ don t just do ░░░░░░░░ interview just to do ░░░░░░░░ interview when you re ░░░░░░░░ a campaign you do ░░░░░░░░ because you ve got ░░░░░░░░ to say You re ░░░░░░░░ to advance something that ░░░░░░░░ want people to pay ░░░░░░░░ to And I think ░░░░░░░░ want people to pay ░░░░░░░░ to Georgia and to ░░░░░░░░ they re trying to ░░░░░░░░ in these rural counties ░░░░░░░░ just in Georgia but ░░░░░░░░ places like North Carolina ░░░░░░░░ 17 counties that Joe ░░░░░░░░ won by more than ░░░░░░░░ of the vote they ░░░░░░░░ got to get those ░░░░░░░░ up and they want ░░░░░░░░ show people in those ░░░░░░░░ counties that they re ░░░░░░░░ attention to them They ░░░░░░░░ important to them and ░░░░░░░░ they need them to ░░░░░░░░ the Harris Walz ticket ░░░░░░░░ of that campaign tactic ░░░░░░░░ the Harris Walz campaign ░░░░░░░░ laying out Are they ░░░░░░░░ to go to some ░░░░░░░░ these rural counties You ░░░░░░░░ I both know that ░░░░░░░░ has been solid Trump ░░░░░░░░ for the last several ░░░░░░░░ Harris Walz trying to ░░░░░░░░ into that And what ░░░░░░░░ you think yeah Spree ░░░░░░░░ about pocan a dead ░░░░░░░░ with a stick to ░░░░░░░░ if it runs I ░░░░░░░░ when Kamala and Tim ░░░░░░░░ catch it over the ░░░░░░░░ from Joe Biden you ░░░░░░░░ them kind of poking ░░░░░░░░ certain things and seeing ░░░░░░░░ it was really closed ░░░░░░░░ to all Democrats are ░░░░░░░░ up to just Joe ░░░░░░░░ like for instance maybe ░░░░░░░░ or North Carolina was ░░░░░░░░ closed off to Joe ░░░░░░░░ as we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ more competitive polls now ░░░░░░░░ going on offense that ░░░░░░░░ be closed off to ░░░░░░░░ Democrats writ large I ░░░░░░░░ a little bit of ░░░░░░░░ phase right now it ░░░░░░░░ sense to do from ░░░░░░░░ purely political perspective all ░░░░░░░░ norm eisen Matt Gorman ░░░░░░░░ seven thanks very much ░░░░░░░░ really appreciate it Thanks ░░░░░░░░ the discussion thank you ░░░░░░░░ And don t miss ░░░░░░░░ Bash s exclusive interview ░░░░░░░░ vice president Kamala Harris ░░░░░░░░ governor Tim Walz in there