Shellenberger Clashes with Ben Ferguson over Assange: ‘Why Are You Spreading Taliban Misinformation?’

Morgan So Ben look ░░░░░░░░ Ferguson Yes it was ░░░░░░░░ Ben but you stated ░░░░░░░░ a fact that a ░░░░░░░░ of people died as ░░░░░░░░ consequence We just heard ░░░░░░░░ from Ferguson Yes Morgan ░░░░░░░░ Schellenberg who s been ░░░░░░░░ over this story Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ Morgan for many years ░░░░░░░░ that is not true ░░░░░░░░ you actually have any ░░░░░░░░ You can t have ░░░░░░░░ by the way both ░░░░░░░░ And let me just ░░░░░░░░ this number one I ░░░░░░░░ how a moment ago ░░░░░░░░ was like Oh you ░░░░░░░░ t trust the government ░░░░░░░░ now you re quoting ░░░░░░░░ government saying No one ░░░░░░░░ and no one was ░░░░░░░░ because of this That ░░░░░░░░ total crap I will ░░░░░░░░ now for you the ░░░░░░░░ spokesman he said we ░░░░░░░░ studying the report when ░░░░░░░░ report came out He ░░░░░░░░ said after the files ░░░░░░░░ released to the public ░░░░░░░░ the summer of 2010 ░░░░░░░░ We knew about the ░░░░░░░░ and we are working ░░░░░░░░ find them We will ░░░░░░░░ investigating through our own ░░░░░░░░ Service whether the people ░░░░░░░░ are spies that working ░░░░░░░░ U S and if ░░░░░░░░ are U S spies ░░░░░░░░ then we know how ░░░░░░░░ punish them Fast forward ░░░░░░░░ then put executions online ░░░░░░░░ then said that they ░░░░░░░░ actually killed people on ░░░░░░░░ websites on Twitter back ░░░░░░░░ indecipherable saying that they ░░░░░░░░ hunted down the people ░░░░░░░░ with the spies and ░░░░░░░░ they killed them and ░░░░░░░░ family members crosstalk SHELLENBERGER ░░░░░░░░ re repeating Taliban propaganda ░░░░░░░░ literally repeating Taliban Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ cannot sit here SHELLENBERGER ░░░░░░░░ at this moment You ░░░░░░░░ spreading Taliban misinformation Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ you actually let me ░░░░░░░░ you this seriously because ░░░░░░░░ m not I m ░░░░░░░░ dumb enough to buy ░░░░░░░░ you re saying right ░░░░░░░░ Do you actually believe ░░░░░░░░ Taliban wouldn t go ░░░░░░░░ and kill people that ░░░░░░░░ re working with the ░░░░░░░░ States of America Are ░░░░░░░░ that dumb as a ░░░░░░░░ to believe the Taliban ░░░░░░░░ t kill and behead ░░░░░░░░ they betrayed them Like ░░░░░░░░ me a break and ░░░░░░░░ up SHELLENBERGER Why are ░░░░░░░░ spreading Taliban misinformation You ░░░░░░░░ participating Ferguson I m ░░░░░░░░ spreading misinformation They put ░░░░░░░░ online SHELLENBERGER in the ░░░░░░░░ s propaganda information Nothing ░░░░░░░░ said Ferguson They put ░░░░░░░░ online SHELLENBERGER nothing you ░░░░░░░░ proves what you claim ░░░░░░░░ proves Ferguson No you ░░░░░░░░ just dumb You re ░░░░░░░░ stupid to actually look ░░░░░░░░ the facts here SHELLENBERGER ░░░░░░░░ fact the U S ░░░░░░░░ has itself admitted that ░░░░░░░░ did not result in ░░░░░░░░ deaths of any American ░░░░░░░░ or undermining America s ░░░░░░░░ security Ferguson You re ░░░░░░░░ stupid to look at ░░░░░░░░ facts because you re ░░░░░░░░ with defending Assange and ░░░░░░░░ It s not journalistic ░░░░░░░░ by the way to ░░░░░░░░ out there and to ░░░░░░░░ everything on the Internet ░░░░░░░░ someone sends it to ░░░░░░░░ which is what he ░░░░░░░░ An actual journalist who ░░░░░░░░ integrity SHELLENBERGER I agree ░░░░░░░░ he should have redacted ░░░░░░░░ of that information Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ have gone through it ░░░░░░░░ then decided what they ░░░░░░░░ putting out there SHELLENBERGER ░░░░░░░░ s a separate issue ░░░░░░░░ Ferguson But you say ░░░░░░░░ you re a journalist ░░░░░░░░ can do crosstalk Morgan ░░░░░░░░ hang on OK Well ░░░░░░░░ on Ferguson And I ░░░░░░░░ t trust the Taliban ░░░░░░░░ Ben Ben hang on ░░░░░░░░ I trust Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ Ben Michael was made ░░░░░░░░ Yeah Morgan an important ░░░░░░░░ know SHELLENBERGER Yeah Morgan ░░░░░░░░ So repeat that Michael ░░░░░░░░ Well I I agree ░░░░░░░░ I think Assange was ░░░░░░░░ and should have redacted ░░░░░░░░ information And that s ░░░░░░░░ separate issue from whether ░░░░░░░░ actually resulted in the ░░░░░░░░ of American servicemen or ░░░░░░░░ assets abroad or undermined ░░░░░░░░ security On that issue ░░░░░░░░ U S government has ░░░░░░░░ very clear So yes ░░░░░░░░ this case I think ░░░░░░░░ the U S government ░░░░░░░░ an interest in in ░░░░░░░░ exaggerating the ways that ░░░░░░░░ re doing You re ░░░░░░░░ the Taliban as the ░░░░░░░░ of your information I ░░░░░░░░ citing the U S ░░░░░░░░ crosstalk Ferguson I m ░░░░░░░░ I m not I ░░░░░░░░ not citing the Taliban ░░░░░░░░ s one thing let ░░░░░░░░ just say this there ░░░░░░░░ one thing about the ░░░░░░░░ and you should know ░░░░░░░░ throughout history if you ░░░░░░░░ studied the Taliban at ░░░░░░░░ The Taliban does one ░░░░░░░░ incredibly well They make ░░░░░░░░ that people that get ░░░░░░░░ of line are brutally ░░░░░░░░ SHELLENBERGER Of course Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ if you are working ░░░░░░░░ found to be spying ░░░░░░░░ any other government and ░░░░░░░░ are not allegiant to ░░░░░░░░ SHELLENBERGER It s a ░░░░░░░░ separate issue Ferguson they ░░░░░░░░ come after you SHELLENBERGER ░░░░░░░░ re completely it s ░░░░░░░░ non sequitur that you ░░░░░░░░ doing Ferguson It is ░░░░░░░░ insane for them to ░░░░░░░░ at the diary and ░░░░░░░░ through there and see ░░░░░░░░ name of the asset ░░░░░░░░ work with you and ░░░░░░░░ go after them Morgan ░░░░░░░░ s not insane But ░░░░░░░░ Ben do you accept ░░░░░░░░ own Ben but Ben ░░░░░░░░ you accept your own ░░░░░░░░ source for all this ░░░░░░░░ the Taliban And are ░░░░░░░░ comfortable about that Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ I I will go ░░░░░░░░ and quote you guys ░░░░░░░░ Do you trust that ░░░░░░░░ government would tell you ░░░░░░░░ honest truth if yes ░░░░░░░░ Well no I m ░░░░░░░░ you whether you re ░░░░░░░░ in fact the bunch ░░░░░░░░ people were killed Morgan ░░░░░░░░ on I m asking ░░░░░░░░ if you trust the ░░░░░░░░ Ferguson I trust the ░░░░░░░░ when they say that ░░░░░░░░ someone that is out ░░░░░░░░ who is spying within ░░░░░░░░ I never thought the ░░░░░░░░ would come here Ben ░░░░░░░░ Ferguson they are going ░░░░░░░░ kill them Yes I ░░░░░░░░ Morgan on this show ░░░░░░░░ I trust the Taliban ░░░░░░░░ No On on the ░░░░░░░░ crosstalk Morgan If I ░░░░░░░░ than up and those ░░░░░░░░ your only words you ░░░░░░░░ dead in this town ░░░░░░░░ Ferguson Listen to what ░░░░░░░░ said Piers You re ░░░░░░░░ than this Piers Piers ░░░░░░░░ you re better than ░░░░░░░░ I trust that the ░░░░░░░░ will kill you if ░░░░░░░░ betrayed them Because they ░░░░░░░░ a hundreds of years ░░░░░░░░ history of doing that ░░░░░░░░ Morgan Yeah But do ░░░░░░░░ actually have OK I ░░░░░░░░ t disagree with that ░░░░░░░░ do you have any ░░░░░░░░ corroboration that they actually ░░░░░░░░ anyone Ferguson Their their ░░░░░░░░ post on social media ░░░░░░░░ this happened in 2010 ░░░░░░░░ clearly pointing to going ░░░░░░░░ and hunting down these ░░░░░░░░ Morgan But again Ferguson ░░░░░░░░ do that well Morgan ░░░░░░░░ ask you do you ░░░░░░░░ any evidence they actually ░░░░░░░░ people Ferguson The evidence ░░░░░░░░ they put out on ░░░░░░░░ media celebrating the killing ░░░░░░░░ No Ferguson of people ░░░░░░░░ have betrayed them in ░░░░░░░░ name of Allah That ░░░░░░░░ the evidence.”