BIDEN

RADDATZ And Doris I ░░░░░░░░ like you to look ░░░░░░░░ on the history of ░░░░░░░░ I know your book ░░░░░░░░ about the 60s and ░░░░░░░░ s when they began ░░░░░░░░ GOODWIN Absolutely In fact ░░░░░░░░ think maybe this debate ░░░░░░░░ of the rules that ░░░░░░░░ s no interruptions the ░░░░░░░░ will be turned off ░░░░░░░░ s no audience it ░░░░░░░░ look hopefully more like ░░░░░░░░ did in 1960 I ░░░░░░░░ what I think about ░░░░░░░░ I think about that ░░░░░░░░ is like Biden JFK ░░░░░░░░ for days He knew ░░░░░░░░ he was the one ░░░░░░░░ was not experienced In ░░░░░░░░ the worry in the ░░░░░░░░ debate for JFK was ░░░░░░░░ was too young He ░░░░░░░░ too inexperienced So just ░░░░░░░░ up there on the ░░░░░░░░ with the vice president ░░░░░░░░ him a certain kind ░░░░░░░░ stature in the same ░░░░░░░░ Nixon thought he was ░░░░░░░░ far better debater he ░░░░░░░░ t need to prepare ░░░░░░░░ he could just get ░░░░░░░░ there because of his ░░░░░░░░ rhetoric but then of ░░░░░░░░ he didn t prepare ░░░░░░░░ he looked and there ░░░░░░░░ a sense of vitality ░░░░░░░░ JFK looking tanned and ░░░░░░░░ looking pasty and awkward ░░░░░░░░ and lacking confidence And ░░░░░░░░ thought well it didn ░░░░░░░░ really matter They debated ░░░░░░░░ other and the points ░░░░░░░░ about equal but something ░░░░░░░░ Something happened because JFK ░░░░░░░░ seen on that screen ░░░░░░░░ next day the crowds ░░░░░░░░ enormous They quadrupled just ░░░░░░░░ seeing him on television ░░░░░░░░ was of course the ░░░░░░░░ televised debate but the ░░░░░░░░ thing I remember my ░░░░░░░░ remembers he was so ░░░░░░░░ He was in his ░░░░░░░░ and he got on ░░░░░░░░ plane afterwards and JFK ░░░░░░░░ having tomato soup and ░░░░░░░░ to relax and they ░░░░░░░░ just going over the ░░░░░░░░ analytically when could I ░░░░░░░░ done better When did ░░░░░░░░ not do so well ░░░░░░░░ suddenly Dick popped up ░░░░░░░░ he said we won ░░░░░░░░ won the election It ░░░░░░░░ over And JFK more ░░░░░░░░ said to him oh ░░░░░░░░ We ve got a ░░░░░░░░ more to go We ░░░░░░░░ got to get to ░░░░░░░░ There s next week ░░░░░░░░ the week after And ░░░░░░░░ will be true of ░░░░░░░░ debate too So much ░░░░░░░░ come after this RADDATZ ░░░░░░░░ what lessons do you ░░░░░░░░ Biden and Trump have ░░░░░░░░ You heard how worried ░░░░░░░░ is about this How ░░░░░░░░ do you think things ░░░░░░░░ change in this debate ░░░░░░░░ GOODWIN I really think ░░░░░░░░ rules are going to ░░░░░░░░ it easier for things ░░░░░░░░ change It may actually ░░░░░░░░ Trump because he can ░░░░░░░░ interrupt because the mic ░░░░░░░░ be turned off and ░░░░░░░░ might appear reasonable And ░░░░░░░░ think at the same ░░░░░░░░ Biden has to be ░░░░░░░░ of the importance of ░░░░░░░░ physical strength and mental ░░░░░░░░ for both of them ░░░░░░░░ mean it s so ░░░░░░░░ that we worried about ░░░░░░░░ in 1960 and now ░░░░░░░░ re worried about age ░░░░░░░░ 2024 But I think ░░░░░░░░ rules were smart America ░░░░░░░░ just as Frank said ░░░░░░░░ that last debate in ░░░░░░░░ and it was as ░░░░░░░░ neither party won and ░░░░░░░░ ve got to get ░░░░░░░░ to a civilized debate ░░░░░░░░ is what our country ░░░░░░░░ got to be about ░░░░░░░░ ve got to learn ░░░░░░░░ the character of these ░░░░░░░░