Pollster Frank Luntz: Another Reaction Like the 2020 Debate, Will Cause Our System to Break

RADDATZ Let s bring ░░░░░░░░ our experts on the ░░░░░░░░ and politics of debates ░░░░░░░░ historian Jon Meacham author ░░░░░░░░ the new book The ░░░░░░░░ to Serve and informal ░░░░░░░░ to President Biden on ░░░░░░░░ prep presidential historian Doris ░░░░░░░░ Goodwin author of An ░░░░░░░░ Love Story A Personal ░░░░░░░░ of the 1960s and ░░░░░░░░ and communications adviser Frank ░░░░░░░░ Good morning to all ░░░░░░░░ you And Frank I ░░░░░░░░ to start with you ░░░░░░░░ ve spent your career ░░░░░░░░ at these debates for ░░░░░░░░ last quarter century studying ░░░░░░░░ reactions But the Trump ░░░░░░░░ with Hillary Clinton with ░░░░░░░░ Biden have been like ░░░░░░░░ others LUNTZ Well not ░░░░░░░░ have they been like ░░░░░░░░ others but that was ░░░░░░░░ beginning of the end ░░░░░░░░ for a lot of ░░░░░░░░ about democracy And I ░░░░░░░░ to be candid with ░░░░░░░░ I m very nervous ░░░░░░░░ the outcome of this ░░░░░░░░ A lot of people ░░░░░░░░ going to watch A ░░░░░░░░ of people have made ░░░░░░░░ their minds about the ░░░░░░░░ candidates but haven t ░░░░░░░░ up their minds whether ░░░░░░░░ not our democracy still ░░░░░░░░ If we have another ░░░░░░░░ like that first 2020 ░░░░░░░░ where the two candidates ░░░░░░░░ go at each other ░░░░░░░░ some point our system ░░░░░░░░ Our democracy comes undone ░░░░░░░░ so I m going ░░░░░░░░ be watching not just ░░░░░░░░ the cute quip or ░░░░░░░░ to figure out who ░░░░░░░░ or lost but I ░░░░░░░░ going to be watching ░░░░░░░░ reactions and whether or ░░░░░░░░ this adds to our ░░░░░░░░ and our division or ░░░░░░░░ it begins to heal ░░░░░░░░ RADDATZ The subsequent debates ░░░░░░░░ President Trump did calm ░░░░░░░░ in those debates It ░░░░░░░░ t like the first ░░░░░░░░ 2020 So do you ░░░░░░░░ he s learned any ░░░░░░░░ after breaking all the ░░░░░░░░ in that initial debate ░░░░░░░░ mean it doesn t ░░░░░░░░ like it He he ░░░░░░░░ to change like he ░░░░░░░░ to change much He ░░░░░░░░ already already saying he ░░░░░░░░ no strategy accusing that ░░░░░░░░ Biden will get a ░░░░░░░░ in the arm and ░░░░░░░░ jacked up before the ░░░░░░░░ Is that what has ░░░░░░░░ worried LUNTZ Well no ░░░░░░░░ s just how they ░░░░░░░░ each other Is it ░░░░░░░░ respect or contempt Is ░░░░░░░░ wanting to listen and ░░░░░░░░ or is it wanting ░░░░░░░░ abuse and attack And ░░░░░░░░ Trump is the best ░░░░░░░░ it He is good ░░░░░░░░ tearing apart his opponent ░░░░░░░░ question and the thing ░░░░░░░░ m going to be ░░░░░░░░ for is how Joe ░░░░░░░░ responds because don t ░░░░░░░░ It was Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ said to Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ you just shut up ░░░░░░░░ the idea that you ░░░░░░░░ that to a president ░░░░░░░░ the United States in ░░░░░░░░ national debate that coarseness ░░░░░░░░ and undermines the sense ░░░░░░░░ democracy being civilized and ░░░░░░░░ And I just hope ░░░░░░░░ both candidates remember that ░░░░░░░░ actually are some things ░░░░░░░░ important than an election ░░░░░░░░ next generation.”