Maddow: ‘We Need People to Fight’ Against Today’s Fascist Threat Just Like During Nazi Era

FARAH GRIFFIN So you ░░░░░░░░ back with season two ░░░░░░░░ your hit podcast Ultra ░░░░░░░░ similar to the first ░░░░░░░░ you look back at ░░░░░░░░ dark period in American ░░░░░░░░ this time the 1950s ░░░░░░░░ the when far right ░░░░░░░░ and extremism were on ░░░░░░░░ rise There are obviously ░░░░░░░░ parallels to today What ░░░░░░░░ you tell us about ░░░░░░░░ season HOSTIN Yeah MADDOW ░░░░░░░░ in season one there ░░░░░░░░ a bunch of members ░░░░░░░░ true story bunch of ░░░░░░░░ of Congress working with ░░░░░░░░ Nazi agent Goldberg Yes ░░░░░░░░ That seems bad Goldberg ░░░░░░░░ MADDOW So then there ░░░░░░░░ a prosecution of that ░░░░░░░░ to all these fascist ░░░░░░░░ pro Nazi groups in ░░░░░░░░ United States And then ░░░░░░░░ the end of the ░░░░░░░░ they all got away ░░░░░░░░ season two is what ░░░░░░░░ when you let all ░░░░░░░░ people get away It ░░░░░░░░ very bad Goldberg Yeah ░░░░░░░░ GRIFFIN Yeah MADDOW So ░░░░░░░░ is not it s ░░░░░░░░ it s not the ░░░░░░░░ podcast in the worl ░░░░░░░░ it is about these ░░░░░░░░ ve had these recurrent ░░░░░░░░ delicate moments in American ░░░░░░░░ where people who want ░░░░░░░░ U S system of ░░░░░░░░ to go away Goldberg ░░░░░░░░ MADDOW get very close ░░░░░░░░ people with a lot ░░░░░░░░ political power And you ░░░░░░░░ it s and it ░░░░░░░░ go either way And ░░░░░░░░ have to stand up ░░░░░░░░ it and fight them ░░░░░░░░ the people who fight ░░░░░░░░ them put themselves in ░░░░░░░░ danger Goldberg Yep MADDOW ░░░░░░░░ their careers find themselves ░░░░░░░░ physical danger in some ░░░░░░░░ but you we need ░░░░░░░░ to fight this sort ░░░░░░░░ thing It has happened ░░░░░░░░ Goldberg Yeah MADDOW And ░░░░░░░░ need to bolster and ░░░░░░░░ the people who stand ░░░░░░░░ against it Goldberg Yeah ░░░░░░░░ Yeah MADDOW So there ░░░░░░░░ a great dynamic that ░░░░░░░░ here which is that ░░░░░░░░ two senators one of ░░░░░░░░ is basically running like ░░░░░░░░ Nazi propaganda operation in ░░░░░░░░ Senate and this other ░░░░░░░░ become mortal enemies And ░░░░░░░░ backyards back up onto ░░░░░░░░ other And so they ░░░░░░░░ see into each other ░░░░░░░░ houses and they can ░░░░░░░░ how each other s ░░░░░░░░ And one of them ░░░░░░░░ up blackmailing the other ░░░░░░░░ the one who was ░░░░░░░░ kills himself And this ░░░░░░░░ a United States Senator ░░░░░░░░ mean it s a ░░░░░░░░ story and it is ░░░░░░░░ true And that is ░░░░░░░░ Goldberg And this is ░░░░░░░░ crosstalk MADDOW Listen the ░░░░░░░░ two of Ultra Goldberg ░░░░░░░░ is why you have ░░░░░░░░ pay attention to American ░░░░░░░░ HAINES Yes BEHAR Yeah ░░░░░░░░ This is why history ░░░░░░░░ important why you got ░░░░░░░░ know.” [crosstalk]