Democratic Congresswoman Hits out Against Biden for ‘Using the Same Tools’ as Trump

COLLINS And so Congresswoman ░░░░░░░░ let me start with ░░░░░░░░ because it s clear ░░░░░░░░ you believe President Biden ░░░░░░░░ making a mistake by ░░░░░░░░ this order Tell me ░░░░░░░░ you feel differently But ░░░░░░░░ do you feel that ░░░░░░░░ Jayapal Yes Kaitlan thanks ░░░░░░░░ having me on Look ░░░░░░░░ think that this is ░░░░░░░░ mistake for several reasons ░░░░░░░░ this is severely limiting ░░░░░░░░ right to seek asylum ░░░░░░░░ this is a right ░░░░░░░░ we in Congress gave ░░░░░░░░ people to come and ░░░░░░░░ asylum anywhere along the ░░░░░░░░ including between ports of ░░░░░░░░ because it is extremely ░░░░░░░░ for people who are ░░░░░░░░ violent circumstances in their ░░░░░░░░ countries to make sure ░░░░░░░░ they get to a ░░░░░░░░ of entry So that ░░░░░░░░ why we put that ░░░░░░░░ into law also into ░░░░░░░░ international treaty obligations This ░░░░░░░░ actually the right to ░░░░░░░░ asylum is a right ░░░░░░░░ we need to adhere ░░░░░░░░ according to our international ░░░░░░░░ obligations Now what we ░░░░░░░░ doing is you know ░░░░░░░░ think what the president ░░░░░░░░ trying to do is ░░░░░░░░ the fact that we ░░░░░░░░ want order at the ░░░░░░░░ We all want to ░░░░░░░░ an immigration system that ░░░░░░░░ orderly that allows people ░░░░░░░░ be processed quickly that ░░░░░░░░ people to come in ░░░░░░░░ different legal pathways and ░░░░░░░░ have continued to block ░░░░░░░░ in doing that But ░░░░░░░░ only actions like what ░░░░░░░░ President is doing today ░░░░░░░░ mirrors something that Donald ░░░░░░░░ did it was stopped ░░░░░░░░ the courts but using ░░░░░░░░ f of the INA ░░░░░░░░ the Immigration and Nationality ░░░░░░░░ is a harsh enforcement ░░░░░░░░ measure that is not ░░░░░░░░ to work because people ░░░░░░░░ not going to stop ░░░░░░░░ when they are fleeing ░░░░░░░░ circumstances Now in addition ░░░░░░░░ would say that there ░░░░░░░░ real implementation issues around ░░░░░░░░ I just got a ░░░░░░░░ literally just before I ░░░░░░░░ on your show that ░░░░░░░░ an implementation notice that ░░░░░░░░ that the Biden Administration ░░░░░░░░ also cutting the amount ░░░░░░░░ time that people will ░░░░░░░░ to get an attorney ░░░░░░░░ 24 hours to four ░░░░░░░░ Now if you re ░░░░░░░░ to meaningfully argue that ░░░░░░░░ have credible fear of ░░░░░░░░ persecuted in your home ░░░░░░░░ you need more than ░░░░░░░░ hours to find an ░░░░░░░░ because we don t ░░░░░░░░ attorneys to people That ░░░░░░░░ a very difficult process ░░░░░░░░ it is So there ░░░░░░░░ real implementation problems But ░░░░░░░░ the end of the ░░░░░░░░ COLLINS But on that ░░░░░░░░ Jayapal Kaitlan I just ░░░░░░░░ to say at the ░░░░░░░░ of the COLLINS Go ░░░░░░░░ Congresswoman Jayapal At the ░░░░░░░░ at the end of ░░░░░░░░ day the biggest thing ░░░░░░░░ the border doesn t ░░░░░░░░ on its own It ░░░░░░░░ a part of a ░░░░░░░░ immigration system a legal ░░░░░░░░ system that has not ░░░░░░░░ updated in over 30 ░░░░░░░░ And if we don ░░░░░░░░ update that system and ░░░░░░░░ legal pathways for people ░░░░░░░░ come in then we ░░░░░░░░ not going to solve ░░░░░░░░ issue COLLINS And obviously ░░░░░░░░ s legislation that needs ░░░░░░░░ be done something that ░░░░░░░░ parties have not been ░░░░░░░░ to do We saw ░░░░░░░░ happened in February But ░░░░░░░░ on the implementation of ░░░░░░░░ is that for this ░░░░░░░░ that President Biden signed ░░░░░░░░ if the border is ░░░░░░░░ shut down to people ░░░░░░░░ are seeking asylum and ░░░░░░░░ illegally Jayapal Yeah I ░░░░░░░░ the way that this ░░░░░░░░ is that it s ░░░░░░░░ honestly I don t ░░░░░░░░ practically how it s ░░░░░░░░ to work We are ░░░░░░░░ trying to figure that ░░░░░░░░ ourselves But the way ░░░░░░░░ s written is that ░░░░░░░░ you get to 2 ░░░░░░░░ people it shuts down ░░░░░░░░ border This is in ░░░░░░░░ ports of entry It ░░░░░░░░ down the border except ░░░░░░░░ people are still going ░░░░░░░░ get screened for Convention ░░░░░░░░ Torture They would have ░░░░░░░░ say preemptively I fear ░░░░░░░░ tortured at home which ░░░░░░░░ not the way it ░░░░░░░░ today The way it ░░░░░░░░ today is you are ░░░░░░░░ to be asked if ░░░░░░░░ have a fear of ░░░░░░░░ And then if you ░░░░░░░░ yes then you go ░░░░░░░░ another process Now that ░░░░░░░░ at this point if ░░░░░░░░ get before a judge ░░░░░░░░ you have an opportunity ░░░░░░░░ present your case COLLINS ░░░░░░░░ Congresswoman can I can ░░░░░░░░ Jayapal you have four ░░░░░░░░ COLLINS Congresswoman sorry I ░░░░░░░░ want to ask you ░░░░░░░░ about this Because obviously ░░░░░░░░ implementation of this and ░░░░░░░░ legal authority this is ░░░░░░░░ to be challenged in ░░░░░░░░ We know that But ░░░░░░░░ politically speaking this has ░░░░░░░░ a weak issue for ░░░░░░░░ Biden He has been ░░░░░░░░ underwater with voters on ░░░░░░░░ And so I know ░░░░░░░░ there are concerns about ░░░░░░░░ the people who elected ░░░░░░░░ to get into office ░░░░░░░░ are you also worried ░░░░░░░░ that it could cause ░░░░░░░░ the election if he ░░░░░░░░ t do something like ░░░░░░░░ he did today with ░░░░░░░░ executive order Jayapal Well ░░░░░░░░ really think this is ░░░░░░░░ mistake Democrats have made ░░░░░░░░ and over again Kaitlan ░░░░░░░░ ve worked on this ░░░░░░░░ for 20 years I ░░░░░░░░ the ranking member of ░░░░░░░░ Immigration Subcommittee We make ░░░░░░░░ mistake of trying to ░░░░░░░░ Republican Republicans They re ░░░░░░░░ going to come over ░░░░░░░░ us if they re ░░░░░░░░ us on immigration And ░░░░░░░░ independents our polling suggests ░░░░░░░░ if you talk about ░░░░░░░░ ways to actually institute ░░░░░░░░ system that works and ░░░░░░░░ have some other ideas ░░░░░░░░ policy things that president ░░░░░░░░ do that is actually ░░░░░░░░ independents want They don ░░░░░░░░ want harsh enforcement policies ░░░░░░░░ turn away very vulnerable ░░░░░░░░ seekers And I think ░░░░░░░░ President could have handled ░░░░░░░░ differently I ve told ░░░░░░░░ that directly And I ░░░░░░░░ that we have to ░░░░░░░░ in as Democrats to ░░░░░░░░ inclusive vision of immigration ░░░░░░░░ we really have to ░░░░░░░░ continue to point out ░░░░░░░░ the differences that we ░░░░░░░░ with Donald Trump who ░░░░░░░░ xenophobic racist has said ░░░░░░░░ things about immigrants I ░░░░░░░░ that is not who ░░░░░░░░ Biden is but using ░░░░░░░░ same tools that Donald ░░░░░░░░ used is actually a ░░░░░░░░ problem for Democrats to ░░░░░░░░ able to continue to ░░░░░░░░ those differences and keep ░░░░░░░░ base with us COLLINS ░░░░░░░░ and we ll see ░░░░░░░░ that base responds to ░░░░░░░░ action Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal ░░░░░░░░ s always great to ░░░░░░░░ you on Thank you ░░░░░░░░ much for that Jayapal ░░░░░░░░ you, Kaitlan.”