RUSH TRANSCRIPT And terminally ░░░░░░░░ of calcutta with us ░░░░░░░░ Attorney Arthur Aidala CNN ░░░░░░░░ analyst norm eisen who ░░░░░░░░ in court today along ░░░░░░░░ since Kara Scannell also ░░░░░░░░ this Johnny Jones the ░░░░░░░░ former chief judge for ░░░░░░░░ us middle district of ░░░░░░░░ is currently president of ░░░░░░░░ college So qarrah we ░░░░░░░░ learned the sections of ░░░░░░░░ and cohen s testimony ░░░░░░░░ the courts decided to ░░░░░░░░ back Parties that they ░░░░░░░░ agreed to and two ░░░░░░░░ the requests came from ░░░░░░░░ drain These questions they ░░░░░░░░ David pecker at Michael ░░░░░░░░ s testimony as it ░░░░░░░░ to the meeting and ░░░░░░░░ Tower this is the ░░░░░░░░ of a conspiracy according ░░░░░░░░ the government April 2015 ░░░░░░░░ pecker agreed to the ░░░░░░░░ and ears the meeting ░░░░░░░░ Trump and cohen basically ░░░░░░░░ what can you do ░░░░░░░░ the campaign right Campaign ░░░░░░░░ pecker says he d ░░░░░░░░ the eyes and ears ░░░░░░░░ Trump s says you ░░░░░░░░ be in touch with ░░░░░░░░ Cohen about this So ░░░░░░░░ portions of the transcript ░░░░░░░░ we know we re ░░░░░░░░ to be read back ░░░░░░░░ it s more than ░░░░░░░░ this expert But this ░░░░░░░░ part of it This ░░░░░░░░ from Michael Cohen s ░░░░░░░░ examination where he s ░░░░░░░░ by the prosecutor Susan ░░░░░░░░ Could you tell the ░░░░░░░░ please what was discussed ░░░░░░░░ what was agreed to ░░░░░░░░ that meeting cohen says ░░░░░░░░ was discussed was the ░░░░░░░░ the national enquirer in ░░░░░░░░ of being located the ░░░░░░░░ register of so many ░░░░░░░░ and bodega is that ░░░░░░░░ we can place positive ░░░░░░░░ about Mr Trump that ░░░░░░░░ be beneficial that if ░░░░░░░░ could place negative stories ░░░░░░░░ some of the other ░░░░░░░░ that would also be ░░░░░░░░ Question was there anything ░░░░░░░░ that Mr Pecker said ░░░░░░░░ could also do for ░░░░░░░░ Trump s candidacy Yeah ░░░░░░░░ in substance Did he ░░░░░░░░ Cohen says what he ░░░░░░░░ was that he could ░░░░░░░░ an eye out for ░░░░░░░░ negative about Mr Trump ░░░░░░░░ that he would be ░░░░░░░░ to help us to ░░░░░░░░ in advance what was ░░░░░░░░ out and try to ░░░░░░░░ it from coming out ░░░░░░░░ who did he say ░░░░░░░░ would get in touch ░░░░░░░░ if he was able ░░░░░░░░ identify those types of ░░░░░░░░ cohen says the answer ░░░░░░░░ me Mr Trump also ░░░░░░░░ my relationship with David ░░░░░░░░ is in quotes he ░░░░░░░░ quoting Trump the two ░░░░░░░░ you should work together ░░░░░░░░ anything negative that comes ░░░░░░░░ way You let Michael ░░░░░░░░ and we ll handle ░░░░░░░░ Now Interesting in this ░░░░░░░░ that the prosecution in ░░░░░░░░ closing said if you ░░░░░░░░ t believe Michael Cohen ░░░░░░░░ at David pecker so ░░░░░░░░ ve also asked for ░░░░░░░░ pecker s testimony on ░░░░░░░░ And among the portions ░░░░░░░░ they will here tomorrow ░░░░░░░░ is on cross examination ░░░░░░░░ aiml bove asked pecker ░░░░░░░░ you remember that you ░░░░░░░░ that during the August ░░░░░░░░ meeting that there was ░░░░░░░░ discussion of catch and ░░░░░░░░ correct Pecker says yes ░░░░░░░░ and during the August ░░░░░░░░ meeting there was no ░░░░░░░░ of a financial component ░░░░░░░░ any agreement with President ░░░░░░░░ and Michael Cohen correct ░░░░░░░░ there was a discussion ░░░░░░░░ that I was going ░░░░░░░░ be the eyes and ░░░░░░░░ of the campaign And ░░░░░░░░ was a discussion that ░░░░░░░░ would be notifying Michael ░░░░░░░░ of any women that ░░░░░░░░ in the process of ░░░░░░░░ that were in the ░░░░░░░░ are going to be ░░░░░░░░ stories I would notify ░░░░░░░░ that they would be ░░░░░░░░ and they would either ░░░░░░░░ to buy them or ░░░░░░░░ them off the market ░░░░░░░░ kill them in some ░░░░░░░░ Now another part of ░░░░░░░░ the asphalt was about ░░░░░░░░ pecker s phone call ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump in on ░░░░░░░░ called David pecker recounts ░░░░░░░░ he is talking to ░░░░░░░░ about Karen McDougal Trump ░░░░░░░░ if it s true ░░░░░░░░ I m Mexican companies ░░░░░░░░ to pay million dollars ░░░░░░░░ also refers to Karen ░░░░░░░░ as a nice girl ░░░░░░░░ David pecker devices Donald ░░░░░░░░ you should buy this ░░░░░░░░ Trump says I don ░░░░░░░░ buy stories but you ░░░░░░░░ hear from Michael Cohen ░░░░░░░░ it kinda gives you ░░░░░░░░ sense the jury is ░░░░░░░░ focused on the facts ░░░░░░░░ at least understanding this ░░░░░░░░ part is because Todd ░░░░░░░░ in his final arguments ░░░░░░░░ talked about this meeting ░░░░░░░░ said reiterated that didn ░░░░░░░░ talk about catch and ░░░░░░░░ would they didn t ░░░░░░░░ the term catch and ░░░░░░░░ But what what pecker ░░░░░░░░ said in his testimony ░░░░░░░░ catching and killing stories ░░░░░░░░ Would pecker said on ░░░░░░░░ stand he hadn t ░░░░░░░░ that phrase but they ░░░░░░░░ talking about buying stories ░░░░░░░░ money So really underscoring ░░░░░░░░ that is what they ░░░░░░░░ doing Have what do ░░░░░░░░ think was the most ░░░░░░░░ stuff that we learned ░░░░░░░░ Were dry obviously it ░░░░░░░░ a lot for that ░░░░░░░░ to grasp over 50 ░░░░░░░░ of them they want ░░░░░░░░ s another thing they ░░░░░░░░ for They want to ░░░░░░░░ them again but the ░░░░░░░░ Anderson is very unfavorable ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump because the ░░░░░░░░ has clarified a number ░░░░░░░░ legal issues in ways ░░░░░░░░ really helped the prosecution ░░░░░░░░ that they don t ░░░░░░░░ have to all agree ░░░░░░░░ what the actual crime ░░░░░░░░ Correct And he gave ░░░░░░░░ a menu of options ░░░░░░░░ these are low hurdles ░░░░░░░░ that s clearly where ░░░░░░░░ jury is focused on ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy Part of the ░░░░░░░░ The thing that makes ░░░░░░░░ a felony if they ░░░░░░░░ that a and only ░░░░░░░░ juror has to find ░░░░░░░░ right That cohen used ░░░░░░░░ that had misrepresentations in ░░░░░░░░ when he was setting ░░░░░░░░ the business his consultancy ░░░░░░░░ bank records That s ░░░░░░░░ to create the crime ░░░░░░░░ the tax forms the ░░░░░░░░ instead of described I ░░░░░░░░ of describing income it ░░░░░░░░ at those sums we ░░░░░░░░ actually reimbursements that both ░░░░░░░░ the misdemeanor document felony ░░░░░░░░ kicks this case up ░░░░░░░░ a separate tax offense ░░░░░░░░ then there s the ░░░░░░░░ campaign issues that these ░░░░░░░░ requests are focused on ░░░░░░░░ if there was an ░░░░░░░░ cohen testified corroborated by ░░░░░░░░ to benefit the campaign ░░░░░░░░ money was involved You ░░░░░░░░ those instructions That s ░░░░░░░░ contribution So the judge ░░░░░░░░ the law I think ░░░░░░░░ applied the law but ░░░░░░░░ law is very favorable ░░░░░░░░ both are there you ░░░░░░░░ Can we use the ░░░░░░░░ uniquely though laplacian apply ░░░░░░░░ law only because no ░░░░░░░░ ends in that courthouse ░░░░░░░░ has been there 00 ░░░░░░░░ like no one has ░░░░░░░░ that charge before judges ░░░░░░░░ pardoned jury instructions It ░░░░░░░░ a big three ring ░░░░░░░░ and they go through ░░░░░░░░ and they read what ░░░░░░░░ doubt is presumption of ░░░░░░░░ burden approved credibility this ░░░░░░░░ dr Up a little ░░░░░░░░ but this part that ░░░░░░░░ talking about has never ░░░░░░░░ given before and the ░░░░░░░░ really said things that ░░░░░░░░ even the prosecutor laid ░░░░░░░░ The judge laid out ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors case and the ░░░░░░░░ better than the prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ in five hours And ░░░░░░░░ s spells doom for ░░░░░░░░ Trump Well I first ░░░░░░░░ all I learned today ░░░░░░░░ New York doesn t ░░░░░░░░ their jury instructions out ░░░░░░░░ is archaic It s ░░░░░░░░ The jurors don t ░░░░░░░░ a copy of the ░░░░░░░░ instructions leaving ridiculous in ░░░░░░░░ federal system where I ░░░░░░░░ We sent the instructions ░░░░░░░░ its Madness the two ░░░░░░░░ in the jury how ░░░░░░░░ could possibly retain that ░░░░░░░░ are you probably agree ░░░░░░░░ this is the substantive ░░░░░░░░ The law the case ░░░░░░░░ don t need reasonable ░░░░░░░░ They don t need ░░░░░░░░ the rest of it ░░░░░░░░ to arthur s point ░░░░░░░░ I m not the ░░░░░░░░ protective society because I ░░░░░░░░ one But the fact ░░░░░░░░ matter is that he ░░░░░░░░ to fashion a charge ░░░░░░░░ little bit out of ░░░░░░░░ cloth There s no ░░░░░░░░ Arthur you know I ░░░░░░░░ there s no pattern ░░░░░░░░ for this out a ░░░░░░░░ bit and I don ░░░░░░░░ hold right right exactly ░░░░░░░░ this for the first ░░░░░░░░ ever Adjudicate and the ░░░░░░░░ he had to make ░░░░░░░░ charge out of something ░░░░░░░░ he didn t go ░░░░░░░░ that three ring binder ░░░░░░░░ find the charge Right ░░░░░░░░ best he could under ░░░░░░░░ circumstances I agree that ░░░░░░░░ is not good news ░░░░░░░░ the defense It s ░░░░░░░░ the figures It makes ░░░░░░░░ easy or jurors don ░░░░░░░░ have to all agree ░░░░░░░░ Different jurors can see ░░░░░░░░ differently but believe a ░░░░░░░░ was committed but just ░░░░░░░░ the bar is lower ░░░░░░░░ the one thing that ░░░░░░░░ me today the additional ░░░░░░░░ don t think that ░░░░░░░░ me was if you ░░░░░░░░ at the statement of ░░░░░░░░ that accompanies the indictment ░░░░░░░░ very first factual sort ░░░░░░░░ piece that s in ░░░░░░░░ statement of facts is ░░░░░░░░ 2015 meeting among Trump ░░░░░░░░ cohen and pecker That ░░░░░░░░ two indicates to me ░░░░░░░░ the jury s going ░░░░░░░░ and they re on ░░░░░░░░ timeline and they re ░░░░░░░░ to see did Trump ░░░░░░░░ something in motion at ░░░░░░░░ meeting that he s ░░░░░░░░ for and they re ░░░░░░░░ for independent testimony rubber ░░░░░░░░ that was the theme ░░░░░░░░ still there s cohen ░░░░░░░░ pecker Trump phone call ░░░░░░░░ which the conspiracy see ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors allege was laid ░░░░░░░░ at Trump Tower is ░░░░░░░░ with Karen McDougal and ░░░░░░░░ s a direct conversation ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump s so ░░░░░░░░ was not a great ░░░░░░░░ for the defense when ░░░░░░░░ particular four questions came ░░░░░░░░ they also they did ░░░░░░░░ take the model There ░░░░░░░░ two competing models when ░░░░░░░░ talked yesterday Todd Blanche ░░░░░░░░ here s all your ░░░░░░░░ ramps The defense lawyer ░░░░░░░░ with the document since ░░░░░░░░ re not false Trump ░░░░░░░░ t have intent on ░░░░░░░░ documents just get to ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy as a last ░░░░░░░░ the prosecutor Josh steinglass ░░░░░░░░ no go on a ░░░░░░░░ that s what they ░░░░░░░░ doing And corroboration that ░░░░░░░░ his magic Quick is ░░░░░░░░ what s so what ░░░░░░░░ this case and why ░░░░░░░░ s always rubbed me ░░░░░░░░ wrong way is I ░░░░░░░░ back and looked at ░░░░░░░░ press conference that Alvin ░░░░░░░░ had when the indictment ░░░░░░░░ announced and the judge ░░░░░░░░ tell you that a ░░░░░░░░ in those press conferences ░░░░░░░░ out the crime Conference ░░░░░░░░ just said Trump committed ░░░░░░░░ crime of falsifying documents ░░░░░░░░ come commit another crime ░░░░░░░░ he s asked several ░░░░░░░░ by reporters to commit ░░░░░░░░ other crimes and he ░░░░░░░░ the law does not ░░░░░░░░ it s not necessarily ░░░░░░░░ the law for me ░░░░░░░░ tell you and now ░░░░░░░░ re really finding out ░░░░░░░░ it is in the ░░░░░░░░ s charged with this ░░░░░░░░ will tell you is ░░░░░░░░ of that you find ░░░░░░░░ at the end of ░░░░░░░░ case of the judge ░░░░░░░░ charged what the actual ░░░░░░░░ is correct Yeah that ░░░░░░░░ correct From the standpoint ░░░░░░░░ what s given to ░░░░░░░░ jury you can t ░░░░░░░░ that defense counsel didn ░░░░░░░░ know what the crimes ░░░░░░░░ at the beginning in ░░░░░░░░ case are 30 they ░░░░░░░░ they knew very well ░░░░░░░░ the predicate and it ░░░░░░░░ believed requested a bill ░░░░░░░░ didn t get one ░░░░░░░░ got an answer to ░░░░░░░░ bill of particulars and ░░░░░░░░ lays out 17152 this ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy We re going ░░░░░░░░ continue this