RUSH TRANSCRIPT Any hope ░░░░░░░░ he got those into ░░░░░░░░ in that jurisdiction this ░░░░░░░░ here to help U ░░░░░░░░ Understand all the crisscrossing ░░░░░░░░ cases Former New York ░░░░░░░░ attorney general Adam and ░░░░░░░░ legal analyst norm eisen ░░░░░░░░ this Georgia case they ░░░░░░░░ taking up the issue ░░░░░░░░ whether or not Fani ░░░░░░░░ has to be taken ░░░░░░░░ the case essentially because ░░░░░░░░ a conflicts that she ░░░░░░░░ The appeals courts as ░░░░░░░░ re going to take ░░░░░░░░ up was that the ░░░░░░░░ decision you think I ░░░░░░░░ the decision in the ░░░░░░░░ place to appoint somebody ░░░░░░░░ a special prosecutor who ░░░░░░░░ had a relationship was ░░░░░░░░ mistake it was a ░░░░░░░░ It was an own ░░░░░░░░ shouldn t have happened ░░░░░░░░ we are and it ░░░░░░░░ t affect the case ░░░░░░░░ all but it really ░░░░░░░░ the optics of the ░░░░░░░░ It seems to me ░░░░░░░░ s not surprising that ░░░░░░░░ appellate court is taking ░░░░░░░░ up and we ll ░░░░░░░░ out the case even ░░░░░░░░ If they do rule ░░░░░░░░ she has to be ░░░░░░░░ off of it or ░░░░░░░░ just with the burden ░░░░░░░░ all of this hanging ░░░░░░░░ the case is it ░░░░░░░░ possible for someone else ░░░░░░░░ take this case to ░░░░░░░░ I mean does it ░░░░░░░░ to be Fani Willis ░░░░░░░░ this point It would ░░░░░░░░ very challenging Abby at ░░░░░░░░ point in the case ░░░░░░░░ hand it off to ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor you could find ░░░░░░░░ in Georgia to do ░░░░░░░░ But remember all we ░░░░░░░░ now is a clear ░░░░░░░░ of illegal conflict for ░░░░░░░░ Will is she s ░░░░░░░░ likely going to win ░░░░░░░░ battle the appellate court ░░░░░░░░ said they re going ░░░░░░░░ look at it but ░░░░░░░░ s no stay in ░░░░░░░░ So you can continue ░░░░░░░░ think the case forward ░░░░░░░░ s daunting to think ░░░░░░░░ launching this case against ░░░░░░░░ former president I think ░░░░░░░░ s unlikely to go ░░░░░░░░ 2024 but it s ░░░░░░░░ 100 foreclose so we ░░░░░░░░ to let it unfold ░░░░░░░░ much is for sure ░░░░░░░░ agree with Adam The ░░░░░░░░ was far from smart ░░░░░░░░ was the right call ░░░░░░░░ Wade to go But ░░░░░░░░ really is no basis ░░░░░░░░ her to be conflicted ░░░░░░░░ of the case And ░░░░░░░░ the appellate court may ░░░░░░░░ no we re not ░░░░░░░░ things and they can ░░░░░░░░ to move forward but ░░░░░░░░ three out of the ░░░░░░░░ cases now I really ░░░░░░░░ a place of almost ░░░░░░░░ it really suggests that ░░░░░░░░ of those cases except ░░░░░░░░ the one that we ░░░░░░░░ currently living through is ░░░░░░░░ to get to the ░░░░░░░░ line or even close ░░░░░░░░ it by Election Day ░░░░░░░░ the reality that people ░░░░░░░░ to have sink in ░░░░░░░░ now absolutely the reality ░░░░░░░░ cases are not going ░░░░░░░░ move forward but the ░░░░░░░░ case is not moving ░░░░░░░░ The Florida case is ░░░░░░░░ moving forward the D ░░░░░░░░ case has not moved ░░░░░░░░ None of those cases ░░░░░░░░ going to happen I ░░░░░░░░ before the election da ░░░░░░░░ case here in New ░░░░░░░░ is the only case ░░░░░░░░ forward this year Justice ░░░░░░░░ justice denied I mean ░░░░░░░░ even for Trump I ░░░░░░░░ he will have this ░░░░░░░░ over his head I ░░░░░░░░ this is ultimately a ░░░░░░░░ win for him He ░░░░░░░░ to just not have ░░░░░░░░ But this is going ░░░░░░░░ be now hanging over ░░░░░░░░ entire country For god ░░░░░░░░ how long Two things ░░░░░░░░ it places even more ░░░░░░░░ on the 2016 case ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors allege is an ░░░░░░░░ interference case They claim ░░░░░░░░ same pattern of voter ░░░░░░░░ federal two granit the ░░░░░░░░ case here in New ░░░░░░░░ the prosecutors say money ░░░░░░░░ Prosecutors say it s ░░░░░░░░ voters to grasp hour ░░░░░░░░ cover it up Similar ░░░░░░░░ to the 2020 election ░░░░░░░░ It makes this case ░░░░░░░░ important I ve been ░░░░░░░░ in court every day ░░░░░░░░ you know prosecutors are ░░░░░░░░ arguing this as a ░░░░░░░░ money case They re ░░░░░░░░ not arguing it even ░░░░░░░░ as a documents case ░░░░░░░░ re saying what were ░░░░░░░░ false documents covering up ░░░░░░░░ and election conspiracies This ░░░░░░░░ an assault on our ░░░░░░░░ I m watching the ░░░░░░░░ It puts the jury ░░░░░░░░ the edge of their ░░░░░░░░ So this case becomes ░░░░░░░░ more important as a ░░░░░░░░ of delay And I ░░░░░░░░ t write off the ░░░░░░░░ Court if they apply ░░░░░░░░ same schedule that they ░░░░░░░░ applied to other important ░░░░░░░░ cases Watch the date ░░░░░░░░ 20 That s the ░░░░░░░░ of time in the ░░░░░░░░ Amendment case from argument ░░░░░░░░ decision It s in ░░░░░░░░ hands This case could ░░░░░░░░ move if the Supreme ░░░░░░░░ tree so like they ░░░░░░░░ other important cases if ░░░░░░░░ slow role than they ░░░░░░░░ in that delay that ░░░░░░░░ re so right hangs ░░░░░░░░ the country and calls ░░░░░░░░ question whether a wealthy ░░░░░░░░ powerful defendant can stall ░░░░░░░░ It also calls into ░░░░░░░░ whether the judicial system ░░░░░░░░ operating the way it ░░░░░░░░ to be in this ░░░░░░░░ critical moment I mean ░░░░░░░░ American people deserve answers ░░░░░░░░ they re not going ░░░░░░░░ get them in a ░░░░░░░░ of cases I think ░░░░░░░░ s right And unfortunately ░░░░░░░░ cases have reached a ░░░░░░░░ or near the trial ░░░░░░░░ an election year The ░░░░░░░░ I think is that ░░░░░░░░ complex Kremlin when all ░░░░░░░░ take time and are ░░░░░░░░ to rush into a ░░░░░░░░ that s driven by ░░░░░░░░ election This is the ░░░░░░░░ and Trump is taking ░░░░░░░░ advantage of that in ░░░░░░░░ to stall and delay ░░░░░░░░ every turn he can ░░░░░░░░ like any other criminal ░░░░░░░░ would But of course ░░░░░░░░ more is at stake ░░░░░░░░ Yeah I mean anytime ░░░░░░░░ re dealing with a ░░░░░░░░ president it seems you ░░░░░░░░ getting into complex territory ░░░░░░░░ the courts have to ░░░░░░░░ out really for the ░░░░░░░░ time Adam a norm ░░░░░░░░ guys are going to ░░░░░░░░ by for U S ░░░░░░░░ have more Stormy Daniels ░░░░░░░░ ll be back on ░░░░░░░░ witness stand tomorrow in ░░░░░░░░ hush money trial We ░░░░░░░░ discuss what to expect ░░░░░░░░ she takes the stand ░░░░░░░░ again the whole myth ░░░░░░░░ Stormy Daniels takes the ░░░░░░░░ once again She will ░░░░░░░░ under cross examination from ░░░░░░░░ former president s attorneys ░░░░░░░░ the prosecution will have ░░░░░░░░ opportunity perhaps to address ░░░░░░░░ of what legal observers ░░░░░░░░ a glaring miscalculation in ░░░░░░░░ presentation of evidence and ░░░░░░░░ they allowed her to ░░░░░░░░ on the stand yesterday ░░░░░░░░ Panel is back with ░░░░░░░░ so norm what we ░░░░░░░░ hearing is that the ░░░░░░░░ had initially planned to ░░░░░░░░ spend too much time ░░░░░░░░ stormy and they ve ░░░░░░░░ their mind they thought ░░░░░░░░ went really well for ░░░░░░░░ Is that a miscalculation ░░░░░░░░ their part I think ░░░░░░░░ is a miscalculation I ░░░░░░░░ that part of what ░░░░░░░░ into that is the ░░░░░░░░ president was visibly angry ░░░░░░░░ was chastised by the ░░░░░░░░ for speaking in tones ░░░░░░░░ the jury could hear ░░░░░░░░ just stipulating and he ░░░░░░░░ have instructed his attorneys ░░░░░░░░ Abby it s not ░░░░░░░░ good lawyering to badger ░░░░░░░░ witness They ve scored ░░░░░░░░ points that they need ░░░░░░░░ she has a financial ░░░░░░░░ that she has not ░░░░░░░░ fully forthcoming are honest ░░░░░░░░ this In the past ░░░░░░░░ she hates Trump They ░░░░░░░░ those points They don ░░░░░░░░ need to make them ░░░░░░░░ and again and again ░░░░░░░░ her and they risk ░░░░░░░░ the jury I thought ░░░░░░░░ would was very we ░░░░░░░░ about this yesterday I ░░░░░░░░ she was very good ░░░░░░░░ cross better than on ░░░░░░░░ She stands up for ░░░░░░░░ She threw out or ░░░░░░░░ People could see her ░░░░░░░░ personality shorter answers crispr ░░░░░░░░ she was much better ░░░░░░░░ that they may just ░░░░░░░░ making their own situation ░░░░░░░░ if in fact the ░░░░░░░░ president has said hammer ░░░░░░░░ but maybe the calculation ░░░░░░░░ also that maybe she ░░░░░░░░ stronger in terms of ░░░░░░░░ she came across but ░░░░░░░░ she had to say ░░░░░░░░ most notable of which ░░░░░░░░ that she hates Trump ░░░░░░░░ wants to see him ░░░░░░░░ jail they think perhaps ░░░░░░░░ there s more they ░░░░░░░░ get out of her ░░░░░░░░ that What do you ░░░░░░░░ I think that they ░░░░░░░░ she s biased She ░░░░░░░░ a bias wetness She ░░░░░░░░ to see him in ░░░░░░░░ She doesn t like ░░░░░░░░ you want to take ░░░░░░░░ and 100 other places ░░░░░░░░ they re going to ░░░░░░░░ her story has changed ░░░░░░░░ look try to show ░░░░░░░░ her story has changed ░░░░░░░░ she is an inconsistent ░░░░░░░░ And at the end ░░░░░░░░ the trial will try ░░░░░░░░ lighten up a sort ░░░░░░░░ a cast of not ░░░░░░░░ nice characters a little ░░░░░░░░ sleazy characters and say ░░░░░░░░ they re all problematic ░░░░░░░░ They can t be ░░░░░░░░ So I think she ░░░░░░░░ just one in a ░░░░░░░░ of witnesses that the ░░░░░░░░ is trying to paint ░░░░░░░░ me paint as problematic ░░░░░░░░ is the first course ░░░░░░░░ what s coming after ░░░░░░░░ all know is Michael ░░░░░░░░ and if we think ░░░░░░░░ this was dramatic and ░░░░░░░░ was a lot going ░░░░░░░░ with Stormy Daniels I ░░░░░░░░ a feeling it s ░░░░░░░░ to be a lot ░░░░░░░░ with Michael cohen Do ░░░░░░░░ expect to see both ░░░░░░░░ defense and the prosecution ░░░░░░░░ it comes to Michael ░░░░░░░░ learning some lessons from ░░░░░░░░ Stormy Daniels went I ░░░░░░░░ I think you ll ░░░░░░░░ a more crisp presentation ░░░░░░░░ the prosecution we re ░░░░░░░░ were not as tight ░░░░░░░░ they needed to be ░░░░░░░░ that direct examination It ░░░░░░░░ over time and the ░░░░░░░░ is going to come ░░░░░░░░ Michael hammer and tongs ░░░░░░░░ was my first witness ░░░░░░░░ I investigated these identical ░░░░░░░░ patients for the first ░░░░░░░░ of Trump I spent ░░░░░░░░ with him his story ░░░░░░░░ never varied from that ░░░░░░░░ time I talked to ░░░░░░░░ about these issues at ░░░░░░░░ beginning of 2019 expectations ░░░░░░░░ low I think he ░░░░░░░░ like before a presidential ░░░░░░░░ when both sides want ░░░░░░░░ expectations to be low ░░░░░░░░ their candidate I think ░░░░░░░░ will exceed expectations He ░░░░░░░░ genuinely remorseful but that ░░░░░░░░ going to be a ░░░░░░░░ historic cross that is ░░░░░░░░ to be cross examination ░░░░░░░░ the ages And what ░░░░░░░░ think is shaping up ░░░░░░░░ the trial of the ░░░░░░░░ I mean it will ░░░░░░░░ might be the very ░░░░░░░░ trial that we have ░░░░░░░░ year Sure and Michael ░░░░░░░░ is the star witness ░░░░░░░░ is somebody who has ░░░░░░░░ proven to be a ░░░░░░░░ convicted of that He ░░░░░░░░ a clear vendetta He ░░░░░░░░ a book called revenge ░░░░░░░░ s about Trump But ░░░░░░░░ is the guy who ░░░░░░░░ to connect these dots ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors left a lot ░░░░░░░░ him to do on ░░░░░░░░ witness stand In your ░░░░░░░░ or is it just ░░░░░░░░ that you think he ░░░░░░░░ land the plane there ░░░░░░░░ one final fact that ░░░░░░░░ need to get from ░░░░░░░░ Cohen which has Trump ░░░░░░░░ what these payments were ░░░░░░░░ and knew that he ░░░░░░░░ falsely recording them or ░░░░░░░░ them to be falsely ░░░░░░░░ That s a key ░░░░░░░░ and that hasn t ░░░░░░░░ come out yet The ░░░░░░░░ of the scheme has ░░░░░░░░ out but Trump s ░░░░░░░░ involvement in making these ░░░░░░░░ records hasn t completely ░░░░░░░░ out Trump is likely ░░░░░░░░ testify So who s ░░░░░░░░ to testify that it ░░░░░░░░ Michael Cohen Can testify ░░░░░░░░ Trump s knowledge and ░░░░░░░░ s not a great ░░░░░░░░ for all the reasons ░░░░░░░░ you just mentioned Norm ░░░░░░░░ you I have spoken ░░░░░░░░ him in this kind ░░░░░░░░ context not in a ░░░░░░░░ but in an interview ░░░░░░░░ don t know if ░░░░░░░░ d call it a ░░░░░░░░ before the January 6 ░░░░░░░░ before the impeachment investigators ░░░░░░░░ is also technically an ░░░░░░░░ Do you think he ░░░░░░░░ the ability to have ░░░░░░░░ kind of discipline that ░░░░░░░░ might need from him ░░░░░░░░ really get to all ░░░░░░░░ the things that he ░░░░░░░░ to get to without ░░░░░░░░ too far in the ░░░░░░░░ fraud case that Adams ░░░░░░░░ office New York ag ░░░░░░░░ against Donald Trump Judge ░░░░░░░░ goren wrote in his ░░░░░░░░ judgment Michael Cohen told ░░░░░░░░ truth There were some ░░░░░░░░ spots in that testimony ░░░░░░░░ like with Stormy Daniels ░░░░░░░░ like with Keith Davidson ░░░░░░░░ Hope Hicks who testified ░░░░░░░░ this trial who s ░░░░░░░░ communications professional had rough ░░░░░░░░ in her testimony the ░░░░░░░░ with pecker He had ░░░░░░░░ fewest he was very ░░░░░░░░ prepared to testify I ░░░░░░░░ that Michael cohen has ░░░░░░░░ ability to come across ░░░░░░░░ this jury as a ░░░░░░░░ teller It s gonna ░░░░░░░░ a tough cross no ░░░░░░░░ Yes I think he ░░░░░░░░ the intelligence the discipline ░░░░░░░░ he s genuinely remorseful ░░░░░░░░ prosecutors have to make ░░░░░░░░ when there s a ░░░░░░░░ with former participants in ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy Michael is better ░░░░░░░░ then the cooperators in ░░░░░░░░ of my cases because ░░░░░░░░ s not working off ░░░░░░░░ jail time There s ░░░░░░░░ less vector of attack ░░░░░░░░ him So I think ░░░░░░░░ s going to exceed ░░░░░░░░ All right We will 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