Brazile: Supreme Court Close to Election Interference, ‘Justice Delayed Is Democracy Denied’

STEPHANOPOULOS Donna you ve ░░░░░░░░ in several presidential campaigns ░░░░░░░░ s hard to wrap ░░░░░░░░ head around a presidential ░░░░░░░░ that is playing out ░░░░░░░░ criminal court BRAZILE George ░░░░░░░░ ve never been here ░░░░░░░░ and I never thought ░░░░░░░░ the years almost 30 ░░░░░░░░ that I worked in ░░░░░░░░ politics and campaigns that ░░░░░░░░ would ever have to ░░░░░░░░ out talking points when ░░░░░░░░ opponent in the case ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is sitting ░░░░░░░░ court all day and ░░░░░░░░ on the campaign trail ░░░░░░░░ you have very little ░░░░░░░░ react from And what ░░░░░░░░ see coming from what ░░░░░░░░ often refer to as ░░░░░░░░ messaging points from the ░░░░░░░░ is Hey go ahead ░░░░░░░░ point out what Joe ░░░░░░░░ is doing for the ░░░░░░░░ people how he s ░░░░░░░░ people out of poverty ░░░░░░░░ he s providing jobs ░░░░░░░░ industries back on their ░░░░░░░░ and don t get ░░░░░░░░ the salacious lurid details ░░░░░░░░ this court case and ░░░░░░░░ s been great You ░░░░░░░░ I went out and ░░░░░░░░ a National Enquirer because ░░░░░░░░ thought catch and kill ░░░░░░░░ about trapping a mouse ░░░░░░░░ the house or figuring ░░░░░░░░ if there are rats ░░░░░░░░ you I never thought ░░░░░░░░ was about burying stories ░░░░░░░░ s so much legalese ░░░░░░░░ all of this that ░░░░░░░░ think it s just ░░░░░░░░ over everyone s head ░░░░░░░░ I have to make ░░░░░░░░ statement because I remember ░░░░░░░░ v Gore as if ░░░░░░░░ were yesterday I do ░░░░░░░░ that the Supreme Court ░░░░░░░░ dangling to election interference ░░░░░░░░ slowing it down I ░░░░░░░░ not a lawyer Sarah ░░░░░░░░ I had to listen ░░░░░░░░ the oral arguments the ░░░░░░░░ day And what I ░░░░░░░░ again was they weren ░░░░░░░░ talking about the facts ░░░░░░░░ the case They were ░░░░░░░░ up with all these ░░░░░░░░ That s election they ░░░░░░░░ go ahead and allow ░░░░░░░░ trial on January 6th ░░░░░░░░ go forward in the ░░░░░░░░ court and we should ░░░░░░░░ the results before the ░░░░░░░░ STEPHANOPOULOS Sarah you are ░░░░░░░░ lawyer You worked at ░░░░░░░░ Justice Department ISGUR I ░░░░░░░░ strongly with that The ░░░░░░░░ Court decides questions not ░░░░░░░░ That s what they ░░░░░░░░ supposed to do They ░░░░░░░░ issues of national importance ░░░░░░░░ will be surprised if ░░░░░░░░ is not a unanimous ░░░░░░░░ coming from the Supreme ░░░░░░░░ that holds that it ░░░░░░░░ not going to be ░░░░░░░░ official acts versus unofficial ░░░░░░░░ it s going to ░░░░░░░░ something more like qualified ░░░░░░░░ where if it is ░░░░░░░░ clearly outside the bounds ░░░░░░░░ presidential authority ordering the ░░░░░░░░ of a political rival ░░░░░░░░ course that is not ░░░░░░░░ to be immune But ░░░░░░░░ t forget 1982 this ░░░░░░░░ held that presidents were ░░░░░░░░ immune from civil liability ░░░░░░░░ s why they had ░░░░░░░░ take this case It ░░░░░░░░ not election interference This ░░░░░░░░ actually the job of ░░░░░░░░ third Branch of government ░░░░░░░░ Perhaps that s one ░░░░░░░░ of the case but ░░░░░░░░ was remarkable how the ░░░░░░░░ of the conservative justices ░░░░░░░░ to address what Donald ░░░░░░░░ did on January 6th ░░░░░░░░ You heard that from ░░░░░░░░ of the justices saying ░░░░░░░░ is not about Donald ░░░░░░░░ This is a rule ░░░░░░░░ we re making for ░░░░░░░░ ages This is a ░░░░░░░░ that s going to ░░░░░░░░ to apply to future ░░░░░░░░ You saw Justice Kagan ░░░░░░░░ many of the same ░░░░░░░░ as anyone else So ░░░░░░░░ s why I think ░░░░░░░░ will be a unanimous ░░░░░░░░ and I think people ░░░░░░░░ snippets from that oral ░░░░░░░░ not understanding that s ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court does ░░░░░░░░ They don t make ░░░░░░░░ rule for this case ░░░░░░░░ make a rule for ░░░░░░░░ of the cases BRAZILE ░░░░░░░░ can still argue the ░░░░░░░░ I mean the the ░░░░░░░░ Court of Appeal rendered ░░░░░░░░ decision in February Jack ░░░░░░░░ said all along the ░░░░░░░░ counsel back in December ░░░░░░░░ ahead make the decision ░░░░░░░░ they are dragging their ░░░░░░░░ And let me tell ░░░░░░░░ Justice delayed ISGUR If ░░░░░░░░ had been a normal ░░░░░░░░ Donna they would put ░░░░░░░░ on the merits docket ░░░░░░░░ the next fall BRAZILE ░░░░░░░░ delayed is democracy denied ░░░░░░░░ mean that is what ░░░░░░░░ at stake here STEPHANOPOULOS ░░░░░░░░ Wang we also saw ░░░░░░░░ Biden give this interview ░░░░░░░░ Howard Stern on Friday ░░░░░░░░ he said he s ░░░░░░░░ to debate Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ you really believe it ░░░░░░░░ going to happen WANG ░░░░░░░░ mean that was a ░░░░░░░░ really big surprise and ░░░░░░░░ interesting he chose Howard ░░░░░░░░ as an example for ░░░░░░░░ because it s another ░░░░░░░░ of Biden choosing to ░░░░░░░░ with more non traditional ░░░░░░░░ outlets This was a ░░░░░░░░ long ranging interview about ░░░░░░░░ entire arc of his ░░░░░░░░ I mean I think ░░░░░░░░ debate could actually happen ░░░░░░░░ question is is it ░░░░░░░░ by the committee on ░░░░░░░░ debates which you know ░░░░░░░░ Democratic Party has a ░░░░░░░░ of issues with or ░░░░░░░░ it held in some ░░░░░░░░ way or sense But ░░░░░░░░ do think the debate ░░░░░░░░ actually happen And President ░░░░░░░░ was very clear in ░░░░░░░░ response STEPHANOPOULOS Susan I ░░░░░░░░ long been a believer ░░░░░░░░ debates but I admit ░░░░░░░░ being conflicted this year ░░░░░░░░ wonder if a useful ░░░░░░░░ can happen under the ░░░░░░░░ we face right now ░░░░░░░░ at the experience of ░░░░░░░░ happened in 2020 looking ░░░░░░░░ difficult in real time ░░░░░░░░ live television it will ░░░░░░░░ to actually have a ░░░░░░░░ debate based on facts ░░░░░░░░ Well you know I ░░░░░░░░ the vice presidential debate ░░░░░░░░ time and it was ░░░░░░░░ And I m not ░░░░░░░░ it could have was ░░░░░░░░ useful as it could ░░░░░░░░ been But I believe ░░░░░░░░ debates We ought to ░░░░░░░░ a debate I think ░░░░░░░░ will have a debate ░░░░░░░░ think it will be ░░░░░░░░ think Donald Trump will ░░░░░░░░ to have one because ░░░░░░░░ assumes that he will ░░░░░░░░ Joe Biden And I ░░░░░░░░ a sitting president should ░░░░░░░░ have the political option ░░░░░░░░ avoiding debating his opponent ░░░░░░░░ re election BRAZILE Look ░░░░░░░░ d support having a ░░░░░░░░ If anything else I ░░░░░░░░ the entertainment factor will ░░░░░░░░ really great I hope ░░░░░░░░ temperature is at Donald ░░░░░░░░ s liking so he ░░░░░░░░ t complain that it ░░░░░░░░ too cold And I ░░░░░░░░ nothing smelly happens STEPHANOPOULOS ░░░░░░░░ before we go I ░░░░░░░░ to ask also want ░░░░░░░░ talk about the campus ░░░░░░░░ what we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ out across the country ░░░░░░░░ week It really has ░░░░░░░░ of cascaded across the ░░░░░░░░ this week and it ░░░░░░░░ to be posing much ░░░░░░░░ of a threat to ░░░░░░░░ Biden s campaign than ░░░░░░░░ Trump ISGUR Well look ░░░░░░░░ am upset I m ░░░░░░░░ that Joe Biden who ░░░░░░░░ he ran because of ░░░░░░░░ Unite the Right rally ░░░░░░░░ t say the same ░░░░░░░░ about what s going ░░░░░░░░ now that he did ░░░░░░░░ Because what we re ░░░░░░░░ is the right and ░░░░░░░░ left a large minority ░░░░░░░░ both of those political ░░░░░░░░ rejecting liberal values like ░░░░░░░░ speech like persuasion They ░░░░░░░░ think that those aren ░░░░░░░░ necessary that in fact ░░░░░░░░ should just be in ░░░░░░░░ in this authoritarian manner ░░░░░░░░ s what these campus ░░░░░░░░ are about They re ░░░░░░░░ about persuasion They re ░░░░░░░░ trying to convince anyone ░░░░░░░░ they re not for ░░░░░░░░ They re fine if ░░░░░░░░ s violence as long ░░░░░░░░ it s against Jews ░░░░░░░░ long as it s ░░░░░░░░ Israel It s so ░░░░░░░░ the bounds of what ░░░░░░░░ should be seeing in ░░░░░░░░ United States of America ░░░░░░░░ where are the people ░░░░░░░░ the political left saying ░░░░░░░░ same things that us ░░░░░░░░ the political right were ░░░░░░░░ about the Unite the ░░░░░░░░ rally about the anti ░░░░░░░░ values on the right ░░░░░░░░ are they now Donna ░░░░░░░░ On campus trying to ░░░░░░░░ the dialogue ISGUR A ░░░░░░░░ BRAZILE Trying to ISGUR ░░░░░░░░ you imagine dialoguing with ░░░░░░░░ Unite the Right rally ░░░░░░░░ BRAZILE Let me just ░░░░░░░░ you something I m ░░░░░░░░ those campuses every week ░░░░░░░░ ll be on another ░░░░░░░░ tomorrow And it is ░░░░░░░░ that we engage in ░░░░░░░░ dialogue Yes some students ░░░░░░░░ crossing the line pitting ░░░░░░░░ against students and there ░░░░░░░░ no place for the ░░░░░░░░ of rhetoric that threatens ░░░░░░░░ and threatens an entire ░░░░░░░░ faith and Jewish community ░░░░░░░░ s no place for ░░░░░░░░ on campus But yes ░░░░░░░░ have to have dialogue ░░░░░░░░ have to talk to ░░░░░░░░ We have to make ░░░░░░░░ they understand what s ░░░░░░░░ stake And we should ░░░░░░░░ encourage them not to ░░░░░░░░ the line whether they ░░░░░░░░ taking over buildings and ░░░░░░░░ their own students So ░░░░░░░░ What does it mean ░░░░░░░░ an entire generation doesn ░░░░░░░░ believe in free speech ░░░░░░░░ BRAZILE Well you know ░░░░░░░░ see that on both ░░░░░░░░ left and right ISGUR ░░░░░░░░ agree BRAZILE So I ░░░░░░░░ that everywhere STEPHANOPOULOS Selina ░░░░░░░░ is posing a challenge ░░░░░░░░ the White House WANG ░░░░░░░░ is And I think ░░░░░░░░ White House and I ░░░░░░░░ heard Democratic allies they ░░░░░░░░ brought up the Harvard ░░░░░░░░ O people that shows ░░░░░░░░ people in fact care ░░░░░░░░ about the economy than ░░░░░░░░ other issue including the ░░░░░░░░ in Gaza But the ░░░░░░░░ is this is going ░░░░░░░░ be a close race ░░░░░░░░ is very much animating ░░░░░░░░ people and I just ░░░░░░░░ to push back a ░░░░░░░░ on that because I ░░░░░░░░ been speaking to Arab ░░░░░░░░ Palestinian community leaders who ░░░░░░░░ the vast majority of ░░░░░░░░ students they are against ░░░░░░░░ they are against bigotry ░░░░░░░░ are there to protest ░░░░░░░░ s happening in Gaza ░░░░░░░░ destruction and death of ░░░░░░░░ of their family members ░░░░░░░░ fact and their relatives ░░░░░░░░ it is being pulled ░░░░░░░░ something that it s ░░░░░░░░ for the vast majority ░░░░░░░░ these students STEPHANOPOULOS This ░░░░░░░░ is being defined by ░░░░░░░░ extremes PAGE That s ░░░░░░░░ And this particular debate ░░░░░░░░ Gaza and Israel is ░░░░░░░░ big political peril for ░░░░░░░░ Biden You know there ░░░░░░░░ a new CNN poll ░░░░░░░░ this morning that shows ░░░░░░░░ in 10 voters under ░░░░░░░░ disapprove of the job ░░░░░░░░ is doing in handling ░░░░░░░░ issue A majority of ░░░░░░░░ voters disapprove of what ░░░░░░░░ s doing and it ░░░░░░░░ the prospect of the ░░░░░░░░ we saw last night ░░░░░░░░ the White House Correspondents ░░░░░░░░ Think what we are ░░░░░░░░ to see STEPHANOPOULOS How ░░░░░░░░ was that protest last ░░░░░░░░ PAGE Well it was ░░░░░░░░ of people chanting There ░░░░░░░░ t any violence So ░░░░░░░░ that way it s ░░░░░░░░ the kind of protests ░░░░░░░░ we re accustomed to ░░░░░░░░ Washington.”